Using an AE as a router? (Bridge Mode?)
We're attending a trade-show in Vegas next week, and the internet is VERY expensive. We're purchasing one "Wireless Code" which means that we get a code to their wireless network. We have 2 wired Mac Minis that we're planning on using. I have both an Airport Extreme, and an Airport Express that I can take with us to the show. My question is, if I'm not connecting to an Apple base-station, am I going to be able to connect the router to the Hotel, and then use the Wired network with the two machines?
I've been playing with the setup, but it looks like I need the MAC address and a few other things I may not have access to.
Thoughts?
If you've got an airport extreme and express, you should be able to get this to work.
You should be able to set your extreme to connect to a wireless network. It will then share the connection to computers on the ethernet port. The only problem I see is that it turns off NAT/DHCP so the airport and the two minis will be requesting IPs from the wireless connection. This may or may not work.
You can probably then attach the express to the extreme and it will give out NAT/DHCP addresses wirelessly to the minis (if necessary).
One other way to get around this without using routers is by connecting just one mac mini to their wireless network. Then choose to share the internet connection over ethernet to the other mini. This will work if they're close. If they're not close, you can connect the express to the first mini's ethernet port and create a new wireless network that's using the mini's shared connection.
Of course, test all this out by connecting to a wireless network somewhere else before going. You should be able to get it working right
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Can I use an Airport Express in a bridge mode to connect to a non apple router?
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I have a broadban connectiond via a Zyxel P-660 wifi modem + router. I have connected the Airport Express to this modem via ethernet and set up a wifi network. The wifi on the Zyxel has been turned off.
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What settings do I need to have on the Dlink ?I am planning to link up a Dlink DIR-600 router running on the DD-WRT firmware on the bridged mode with the AE.
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Ok, then let's start with the following as the basic configuration of your "single" wireless network.
The Actiontec will be the main Internet router; no configuration changes would be required.
Connect the 802.11n AirPort Extreme Base Station (AEBSn) directly to the Actiontec router by Ethernet; reconfigure the AEBSn as a bridge, and also, reconfigure the AEBSn as the "main" base station in the extended wireless network.
Connect the 802.11n AirPort Express Base Station (AXn), by wireless to the AEBSn. Configure the AXn to extend the wireless range of the AEBSn.
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Dynamic WDS - Extending a Wireless Network Setup
Temporarily connect the AXn directly to one of the available LAN ports on the AEBSn during the setup phase. Once completed, disconnect the AXn and place it at the desired location.
Open AirPort Utility, and then, select the AEBSn.
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Choose “Extend a wireless network” from the Wireless Mode pop-up menu, and then, choose the network you want to extend from the Network Name pop-up menu.
Enter the base station network and base station password if necessary.
Click Update to update the base station with new network settings.
(ref: Pages 43-44 of Apple AirPort Networks.)
(ref: Wi-Fi base stations: Extending the range of your wireless network by adding additional Wi-Fi base stations) -
Is it ok to use Westell 6100F in non-bridged mode with Linksys router?
I'm a new Verizon DSL customer.
After several attempts I was only able to connect my Verizon 6100F modem with my Linksys wired router in non-bridged mode. I just changed the IP address in my router, and then released and renewed. I did this just yesterday and the connection is fine...so far.
Fyi, I'm using the Linksys for its firewall. I don't need wireless.
Since I didn't bridge the modem, I assume I'm basically using two routers, the 6100F and the Linksys. Will this cause me issues in the future?
I need to decide whether to try again to bridge the modem or just leave it alone.
Thanks.dslr595148 wrote:
Yes, it is ok.
Here are things that I have ever heard of what can happen (or happens) with Double NAT:
#1 Might not possible to get online, depending on the LAN IP of both routers. But it sounds like you already solved that issue.
#2 NAT and Double NAT cause lag/latency.
I point to two source(s).
a) URL: http://www.dslreports.com/faq/15872
Title/Location: All DSLR (dslreports.com) FAQs » AT&T Southeast Forum FAQ » Motorola Info » How do I properly set up a Motorola 2210 with a Netgear router.
b) As to why that theory/concept is true, go to http://www.endlagnow.org/ELN/TakeAction_TopTips.aspx
and read tip number one, there.
#3 If you want to allow users from the net to connect to you, I point to..
http://www.portforward.com/ -> Other Guides -> Port Forwarding Behind Two Routers?
#4 http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/992
Where they talk about Double NAT, VPNs, and visiting secure (SSL) sites.
#5 Some routers may or may not show up when doing a trace route to the outside.
Another problem with double-NAT is some screen sharing methods may not work. Such as Apple "Back To My Mac".
Using and troubleshooting Back to My Mac in Mac OS X 10.5
I just logged on to this forum to see if I can find the necessary steps to turn my Westel 6100F up to "bridge" so I can use my Linksys WRT54G2v1 as the only router on my home network.
PS, I'm subscribing to this thread in case anyone has a link to step by step for setting this up on the Westel 6100F (I can handle the Linksys end of things).
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How do I clean up my new FIOS connection? I just cahnged ISP Fios and they reqquired a router of thier own in front of my AirPort Extreme. Since then I have blinking yellow light on the AirPort and AirPort utility keeps promting for an edit. Suggests canging from NAT to "Bridge mode". Obviuosly U have some internet or this post would not go anywhere, my knowledge base is not enought to feel comfortable with changing the settings. Correctly editing can be tricky, so how do I make necessary changes?
How do I clean up my new FIOS connection?
The FIOS router needs to be in Bridge Mode to prevent the Double NAT error from occurring when two routers are both fighting with each other for control of the network.
Unfortunately, the likely problem from the FIOS side is that FIOS support will either tell you that their router cannot be configured to operate in Bridge Mode, or if it can, they will not tell you how to do it.
But, it could not hurt to check with FIOS to see if anything might have changed recently in this regard, so your first call would be to FIOS support.
If you cannot change the FIOS router to Bridge Mode, the alternate plan would be to change the AirPort Extreme to Bridge Mode. If you are using the Guest Network feature on the AirPort Extreme at this time, that feature will not work correctly when the AirPort is set up in Bridge Mode. -
I am trying to setup timed access mode on my airport extreme in order to limit the times devices can connect to my network, but I am having some trouble.
My setup is as follows Cable Modem ---> Airport Extreme ---> Netgear router
The Airport is running DHCP and the Netgear is in bridge mode. The only purpose of the Netgear is to provide a wireless access point for older b/g wifi devices. The Netgear is connected to the Airport by an ethernet cable from one of its LAN ports. All ip addresses are supplied by the Airport.
When I list a device mac number in the Airport extreme's timed access table it does seem to block the device if the device trys to connect to the airport's wireless service, but the device is still able to obtain service through the Netgear wireless service. I want the device to be blocked on both wireless networks. I thought this would work since all DHCP is on the airport. Why is the Airport allowing the device to connect when it comes in through the Netgear?
In this example the device I am trying to block is 5c:59:48:ba:28:d2.
Looking at the log on the airport I see the following entry when the device (when permitted) connects to the airport wireless
Nov 30 22:43:12
Severity:5
Associated with station 5c:59:48:ba:28:d2
If instead the device connects to the Netgear wireless I see the following log entry on the airport (this connection gets through even if the mac address above is listed as blocked on the airport)
Dec 01 10:46:29
Severity:5
Connection accepted from [fe80::223:12ff:fe29:acfe%bridge0]:54774.
It appears that the Netgear router (while bridging the network) is somehow modifying the mac address format in a way that the airport does not recognise it as the device to block.
What can I do to fix this?
Thanks.The Netgear wireless server has control over what what devices are allowed to connect.
Unless you tell the Netgear what devices you want to allow to connect, it will allow any wireless device to connect as long as it knows the wireless network password.
IF.... .you were using two AirPort Extremes, and not a Netgear, the two Extremes would communicate to each other....so you would only have to enter Timed Access settings on one router and other AirPort would automatically pick those settings up.
But, even this was not the case until the last year or so when Apple updated firmware. A few years ago, you might have had 2 Apple AirPort Extremes on the network, but you still had to manually set up Timed Access on both devices separately.
Bottom line, you need to setup the equivalent of Timed Access on the Netgear router. -
How do I determine if my router is Bridge Mode capable
I have a linksys WRT 54G router that I wish to have Bridge Mode capability. How can I determine if this router has that capability.
Linksys Article ID: 24583 describes the procedure to turn a unit that is bridge mode capable into bridge mode, but which numbered ports of the router have Bridge Mode capability.
Thanks for any help.
Solved!
Go to Solution.WRT's Linksys firmware doesn't support bridge mode. You will need use a 3rd part firmware like DD-WRT.
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