Using general midi loops in ultrabeat

I want to keep it SIMPLE. I don't want to hassle with programming drum sequences.
This is what I want to do, take GENERAL MIDI loops from actual live drum performances into Logic Express 8, use them to trigger hi resolution acoustic drum samples in Ultrabeat to create natural, REAL sounding drum tracks at 24 bit/96 resolution. Here is an example of the type of 3rd party midi loops I would like to use:
http://www.smartloops.com/products/mididrumloops/mididrumloops1.html
Is this possible and easy to do in Logic Express 8/ultrabeat and how do I do this?

kent swearingen wrote:
I looked at one of the Logic Pro books, and it said to transpose by using the transpose function in the inspector, but that only lets you transpose by octaves!
Put the mouse pointer on top of the transpose number, which is zero, hold down the left mouse button and drag up or down to transpose by steps. At the beginning of either the getting started or Logic manual there's an explanation of the different types of mouse/key behavior, if you're not used to using Logic it's a good idea to go over these.
Also, Logic does not always use simplified Mac conventions (thank the stars for that), as a result you have a lot more variety of data input, it varies according to the task at hand.

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Seriously, if anyone out there uses the MIDI loops to compose music in Logic, how the heck do you do it? Especially if you are also using audio loops, it seems almost impossible to me. The chord transpositions that you get from the chord track are not even to the right pitch, and the transposition behavior is different according to whether you drag the loops into the arrange area before or after putting the changes in the Chord track. The signature track is no better, as it doesn't seem to affect audio loops. So how do you get the bass loops etc. to play in the keys you want them to without going through extraordinary contortions? I looked at one of the Logic Pro books, and it said to transpose by using the transpose function in the inspector, but that only lets you transpose by octaves! Do you really go in and edit the loops by hand to transpose each note?
Any pointers on this would be greatly appreciated.

kent swearingen wrote:
I looked at one of the Logic Pro books, and it said to transpose by using the transpose function in the inspector, but that only lets you transpose by octaves!
Put the mouse pointer on top of the transpose number, which is zero, hold down the left mouse button and drag up or down to transpose by steps. At the beginning of either the getting started or Logic manual there's an explanation of the different types of mouse/key behavior, if you're not used to using Logic it's a good idea to go over these.
Also, Logic does not always use simplified Mac conventions (thank the stars for that), as a result you have a lot more variety of data input, it varies according to the task at hand.

Midi loop not sounding same at arrange area

Hi,
when I drag a midi loops (green loops) into the arrange area it will not play the same sound........ mean I'm not getting the same effect of the midi loop at the arrange area & I don't want use these loop on audio track. I know if I drag the midi loops into audio track it will create an audio loop sounds same effect what I'm listening at the Loop browser but I want to use these midi loops in there own midi track.
Please help me guys

Thanks Jorge for getting back to me.
I tried what you said and when I do get the first Capital Violin 2 midi loop and turn it to green. There is a slight staccato sound but not much. When I move the modulation wheel and select the first sound in the piano roll, yes I can hear a dramatic staccato sound. But the minuet I get the play head to the front of the loop and play it from start it is gone again. Quite frustrating. I would love to get that energetic Capita F Violin 2 midi sound but it doesn't have the power or anything like what it sounds in the loop browser.
Any extra tips on how to KEEP the sound after playback would be a great boost to my musical loop understanding.
But thanks for those suggestions!
I am using a 49 E keyboard and it has a Pitch Bend Wheel and a Modulation Wheel to the left of the keys. The volume control on the 48 e is all the way up. That is another problem I have is even when I push the volume up high in the arrangewindow more often than naught the loops don't seem strong like they do in the loop browser.
But again, my main problem is a lack of strong staccato sound.
Bill
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Midi loops in browser sound different in arrange window controller messages

I have a problem with controller messages as well with fx
I audition a midi loop it has FX and then drag it to arrange window
sounds different, I know of ther is another topic about the FX,
But as well controller messages not being read right
say a Timpani loop, foot controller is not reading
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This is not a problem, it's intentional design.
The preview audio contains reverb for these instruments, because the sound is in context - it let's you hear it how you are typically going to use it, and use can use it as an audio loop without problems.
When you load it as MIDI, it does not add another reverb to the channel because it assume you are going to use a global reverb, rather than add individual reverbs per channel - this is the generally better way of doing it, and avoids new users having a hundred reverbs on individual channels when they only need one.
As for articulations switched by MIDI, the preview audio can contain only one sample, but if there are different articulations, they need to be played/switched accordingly.
It's not a bug, it's the way it works for flexibility in the main. You have to remember, that when stepping up from a entry-level program to a professional one, a lot of hand-holding that the entry level programs do is no longer there, and so you can feel like the pro version is "less good" than the entry one. This is not the case - professional users do not need hand-holding, and that generally gets in the way.

Working in Logic 9, how do I use a drum loop WITH ITS PRESET EFFECTS? I can drag and drop the loop but it plays dry in timeline. thanks

Working in Logic 9, how do I use a drum loop WITH ITS PRESET EFFECTS? I can drag and drop the loop but it plays dry in timeline. thanks

Here's the short-cut solution:
Green Apple tracks are MIDI files (so to speak). If you drag one from the loop browser (Capitol C Orchestral hit, as you mentioned in this exable) directly into the arrange page it creates the MIDI file and the instrument to play it back on.
HOWEVER.If you create and audio track first, THEN drag the green Apple loop onto that track, the loop will get "bounced" with the reverb in tact and you'll have the exact sound that you heard in the preview.
Make sense?

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One of my biggest problems is the way the loops are set up in the new version. Previously, in '11, you would have the "blue" loops that were audio tracks that you could not edit, but you would also have the "green" MIDI loops that you could go in and edit.
Midi Loops are still there.
Have you set any filters on the Loops browser, so that no all loops are showing?
Disable the option "Keyword browsing: Filter for more relevant results" in the GarageBand Preferences > Loops panel.
Also make sure, that the drop down menu at the top of the Loop Browser is set to "Loops", so you are seeing all collections, and set scale to "Any".
Do you already have all loop packages installed?
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Midi loops when imported into arrange window sound pretty lifeless - please help

Hi
I am currently using Logic pro 9 and when I play the orchestral midi loops in the loop window they sound really lush. When I drag them into the arrnage window they sound really dull. I think I have changed a master setting somewhere along the line but don't know how to restore it.
It doesn't happen with the audio loops
I am on Mac OS x 10.6.8
any suggestions welcome
Rhythmseeds

Sorry to say, this isn't a bug — it's a feature!
You've just described exactly how they're supposed to work.
+Green Apple Loops are known as Software Instrument Apple Loops (SIALs). They differ from the blue (audio) Apple Loops in that they also contain a MIDI region plus software instrument and effect settings.+
+When Software Instrument Apple Loops are placed on instrument tracks, the region shown in the Arrange area can be edited just like other MIDI regions, including individual note editing.+
+If dragged onto a blank instrument track (one with an empty channel strip), the corresponding instrument and effect(s) settings are automatically inserted.+
+You can also drag Software Instrument Apple Loops directly into a blank Arrange window (with no tracks), or to a blank area below existing tracks. An instrument track and corresponding channel strip are automatically created, and the Apple Loop is loaded (the instrument is inserted into the instrument channel, along with any effects, and the Apple Loop region is placed on the track).+
+When you place Software Instrument Apple Loops on audio tracks, they are imported as audio regions (and behave like blue Apple Loops). Processing load is reduced when green Apple Loops are added to audio tracks.+
+Note: Blue Apple Loops will not play if placed on instrument tracks.+

MIDI Loops sound different in preview

I'm a new user to Logic, and I'm confused about the green (MIDI) loops. When I preview one it sounds one way, but will sound different when I drag it to my arrangement, even when having it create a new track. On many of them it sounds like it's just missing some reverb, but the change is more drastic in others, eg. "Desire A Cellos", where it sounds like the wrong samples have been loaded.
Also I noticed that it loads instruments like "strings" and "piano" where I would expect it to be using the more sophisticated EXS sampler.
Is this normal?
If I listen to a loops like "Concert Hall Piano 4" it sounds way more realistic in the preview than it does when I let it play the MIDI in my track. My first thought is that this must be because the "Piano" instrument doesn't know how to handle the extra midi data such as expression.
Is anyone else having this problem, and what can I do to fix it?
Thanks,
-Emil

enjakobsen wrote:
Also I noticed that it loads instruments like "strings" and "piano" where I would expect it to be using the more sophisticated EXS sampler.
To answer this question, loops are created to be used with Garageband, so all of the instruments selected will use Garageband instruments.
The other more important question....I DON'T KNOW! Great question, I'm having the same issue with mine. I hope someone can shed some light on this. If you double click the 'strings' instrument in the channelstrip where you have your 'Desire A Cellos' and select the 'Cellos Pizzicato' preset instead of the 'Cellos' preset that is selected, you get much closer. It seems like it has defaulted to the wrong setting. Your right though, there's definitely some verb there too. And also, if you then change your song key, the loop in the arrange window should change with it, but mine is not.
HOWEVER....If you drag a GREEN loop into an audio channel instead of a MIDI channel, it will create an audio file loop (like the blue loops). As far as I can tell, they sound exactly as they should, and they do change keys. Still though, very strange. Perhaps tis a bug??

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Wave-out volume setting?
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might have those parameters so I can check them ?
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MetaMessage
MidiDevice.Info
MidiEvent
MidiEvent
MidiFileFormat
MidiMessage
MidiSystem
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Sequence
Sequencer.SyncMode
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SoundbankResource
SysexMessage
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Hello,
I just purchased GrooveMonkee MIDI drum loops, which gave me hundreds of MIDI drum loops.
I use the Mac's Finder to preview these MIDI loops. When I find the one I want, I drag it into the Arrange window of Logic Express.
However, Logic assigns the name "Sequence" to every loop, rather than the original file name. So then I get left with lots and lots of regions called "Sequence", and it's hard to know which was which.
Is there any way to change the name of a MIDI region after it is imported into Logic?
Would there be a better way for me to manage hundreds of MIDI loops like this? (apart from buying new software drum machines).
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spidernook wrote:
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Using general midi loops in ultrabeat

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