Using Legacy Macs on Airport Extreme N

I have the following hardware:
iMac G4
iBook G4
iMac intel Core Duo
MacBook Core 2 Duo
The MacBook Core 2 Duo can do wireless N with firmware update.
Is there anyway to retrofit the other computers with new wireless cards or something to get wireless N performance.
Note: My understanding is the Airport Extreme N will "dumb down" to the slowest computer on the network FOR ALL ON THE NETWORK!!!!
iMac Intel 2MB Ram Mac OS X (10.4.9)

There are 3rd party externals available for your macs, no idea of performance on these things though.
Just to clarify dumbing down:
A n network will give you 144 mbits/s @ 2.4 Ghz
A b/g/n network will give you 130 mbits/s between n devices (with other devices on the network).
Since you only have 1 n device, any other device it is talking to will be g and therefor the best you can expect is 54 mbits/s

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