Using Prelude to collaborate

I have a client who has a full length documentary on bluray that he wants to cut down for other uses without going back to the original edit. I ripped the M2ts files from the bluray and have made subclips of the entire program with decent notes on each scene. What I want to do is to be able to show my client the information that you see in the "Marker List" window in a spreadsheet. This would be fantastic. It shows a thumbnail, the in and out points, the shot title and a description.
Has anyone got a good workflow for doing this same kind of thing? If so.. I'd love to hear how and what you did. I ended up making screen grabs of the marker list window and cropping them in photoshop and then saving as pdfs and sent those to my client.... but this is NOT efficient. Ideas?

Hi -
Wanted to share the keyboard driven workflow in Prelude we have for logging. It doesn't require you to use the Marker Inspector at all actually. (That is still an option, but as you found out you need to do a number of mouse clicks to get around). In the KeyBoard driven workflow you don't need to touch the mouse at all.
Each time you add a marker to a clip you will get what we call the "Head Up Display" text entry box just below the Tab Area for The Timeline Panel and the Marker List Panel. This HUD will ask you for the text fields of the markers (NAME and DESCRIPTION). By hitting the TAB key you will toggle between each marker field and can thus enter the necessary text. The HUD is basically a text edit control like any other in the app, but comes with some secret powers as far as controlling playback are concerned. Before we get to that let's review some of the common keyboard shortcuts for controlling playback in Prelude:
J=> Reverse Playback (each press increases speed)
K => Stop Playback
L => Play/Fast Forward (each press increases speed)
And some Marker Commands:
I => Set Marker In-Point for selected marker
O => Set Marker Out-Point for selected marker
These command work just fine. But when you have the HUD displayed and are entering text, hitting the "K" key to stop playback so you can catch up with our description typing will simply add the character 'K' into the text field. Probably NOT what you want. But, if you hold the ALT/OPT key down AND hit "K" at the same time you'll notice playback stops, no "K" is added to your text edit control HUD and in fact focus remains in the HUD text edit control. By holding down the ALT/OPT key and using the playback and Marker keyboard shortcuts you still perform those commands without losing focus in the text edit control. This is how you can efficiently log via just the keyboard.
It does take a little getting used to, but after a little practice this becomes an invaluable workflow tool for fast logging.
Hope this helps!
Michael

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Hi,
I wanted to check if it is possible to use Prelude as a simple Digital Asset Management system.
We keep all of our older raw footage on offline hard drives (mostly red carpet interviews). I am looking for a simple solution where I can import basic file infos into a database, add some metadata to it (which event location, names of people in video, which hard disc, ...).
I understand from the previous post that Prelude only searches the currently open project, but does that mean that all assets have to be on-line as well? Or can I simply add all footage to the same project (which I would only use to search for files) and then search for, lets say, a name, and Prelude lists all footage where the meta-data includes this name and I know which harddisc to pull and find the file on?
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Michael,
Thank you for addressing our questions.   Due to my internal purchasing
process, I still haven't received my copy of Prelude, but I'll try to
answer your queries as best I can.
When you think about a DAM as part of Prelude I'm curious to understand
what key features you'd like to see there. For example, if Prelude were to
simply remember every asset and all associated metadata for each asset
into a database and make is searchable, is that sufficient?    Yes and no.
Yes, if this would help to reduce load time. No, if it means not seeing
the clips. We need to see the clips because, for us, such a database
could easily reach tens-of-thousands of clips and we can't remember them
all. I work in government, where we have multiple producers creating
assets, and are required to keep media because they are considered public
documents.
The speed issue might be helped if you could select when to turn on clip
loading or viewing. I would think that loading metadata would be faster
than loading media, so what if you could tell the system to load all the
metadata from a library before doing a basic search on it. Then, based on
the clips that are selected, switch to view mode for just those clips in
order to refine the search. The feature should be switchable, because
when loading media into the system for the first time, you might want to
start by viewing clips and metadata.
An additional feature I would like to see is for Prelude and Premiere to
work together in the opposite direction from what you addressed in your
email. For example, if you could add notes or markers in Premiere that
would automatically update the metadata of the original clip. Or, perhaps
Prelude could track when clips are used by automatically adding a metadata
field to the original clip that included date and the project name where
it was used. The more automation here, the better.
Also, since we are generating file based masters of our completed
programs, it would be nice for Media Encoder and Prelude to interact so
that we can add appropriate metadata and track which masters are stored on
the server.
Would you need to share this database with others? Yes, internally.
What would you expect when your media is archived or moved offline -
should Prelude know about that somehow?   Yes, we would need to track the
location. It would also be helpful to have a low-res thumbnail available
for offline clips.
Would you like to have archival/backup features as part of Prelude that
update the DAM properties as well (maybe with labels for whatever drive or
LTO you've put your media on)?   YES! This approach would be a nice
solution to the previous question. Also, Don't forget off-loading media
to blue-ray. There are very robust devices which are network enabled and
can generate blue-ray disks. For example, the Rimage products can create
data, or playable disks with printed labels for either archive or finished
products. Here is another point where connectivity could be applied if a
program was being sent to Encore.
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items we feel are most critical are viewable clips, and searchable
metadata.
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selected files to another project, so that you could return to the "Master
Project" and do additional searches. In addition, the ability to append
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Also, for a "Master Project," it might be smart to be able to designate it
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think of the cloud as another archival or backup location, perhaps because
we do not use it. Our IT manager considers it too expensive at this time.
If there is functionality that I am unaware of, I'd be interested in
learning what it is.
Feel free to ask additional questions. Also, if you are willing I may
send some to you when I start working with the program.
Thanks,
        .jhm
Jeff Moshier
Executive Producer - CITV
City of Richardson
972-744-4027
[email protected]

Using Prelude to sort and organize a ton of media

So I have about 2 years of old behind the scenes footage (about 1tb) that is spread out through about 40 different folders. I have ingested the whole mess into Prelude, but I am finding it difficult to start the sorting process. What I would like to do is start with general sorting, grab a few clips, copy them, and add them into a new bin, and so on, but I cant go this route. It appears as though I have to create a new rough cut for each catagory and then drop the files in that sequence. This seems like more steps than necessary for doing the beginning stages of sorting. Is Prelude the right choice to sort through masses of old footage, or should I just use Premiere to do it?
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However, I would then later, when I have time, like the organisation and compatability that Prelude can bring for editing in Premiere Pro. I can do this if I import the already ingested material from the drives, but if I do this Prelude then makes another new copy on the the drives of all the media - this wastes time and also causes massive storage problems with formats like Red 4K.
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This is what the on-line chat help person thinks - no go it seems!
John: So do you think it is possible just to log without re-ingesting the media
Vaibhav: No
Vaibhav: you have to ingest file and then would be able to log
John: yes but I have already ingested them and do not want to double the storage I would require or the time it would take to re-ingest - just want to add comments to the files
Vaibhav: but if you want to log and comment ingesting is must
John: Ah then that is a failing in the software - I have posted it on the forum - thanks anyway
Vaibhav: you are welcome
Vaibhav: you can fill in the feature request form
John: where is that?
Vaibhav: one minute
Vaibhav:https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform
John: thanks
Vaibhav: Thank you for contacting Adobe. Good Bye.

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I tested out Prelude with approximately half of the same footage of my
larger project. It still had a brief unresponsive period but,
interestingly, the relationship to the amount of footage didn't seem to be
linear. Whereas a project with all the footage takes 10 minutes, this one
only took about a minute.
I should also point out that, although this is all Canon XF footage and all
the media is in numbered subdirectories with metadata like on the card,
they are not contained within the "CLIPS001" directory that your Canon XF
importer uses to identify XF media. Therefore, when I import them, the
import dialog doesn't identify the media directories as such. I don't know
whether that makes a difference, just wanted to try to help narrow it down
in any way I can.
Hope that helps. Will you update me when you have something?
Thanks.

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Michael,
I thought that might be the case. Sigh!
Well, as far as I can tell, if I were you, I would offer it with an alI I-Frame option first. That would probably be the easiest to implement cleanly. Those who can shoot that way would probably start shooting that way. Me included.
Then, take the AVCHD from a few of the most popular cameras, Canon, Nikon and of course, the Panasonic DMC-GH3 (my camera) and whatever video cameras are popular right now. Back up to the beginning of the long GOP and finish at the end of the long GOP. There is no need to get too specific with frames for subclips. After all, anyone who does not leave handles on their subclips while ingesting gets what they deserve anyway. In fact, there should be an option to always add one second of handles to every subclip. Personally I would leave that on as a default.
As for me, I recently posted a few videos using different codecs for people to download to test them. The links can be found in this forum post along with a short discussion: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1239519?tstart=0
I usually use 50Mb/s 60p using the MOV format, but if I was to shoot anything serious, I would probably shoot 72Mb/s 24p. Keep in mind, that if Adobe made it possible to ingest subclips without transcoding,I would change what I shot to all I-Frame for almost everything, either at 30p or 24p. And if you did it for my 60fps MOV files, I would be ecstatic.
I don't shoot AVCHD but I suppose that so many people do that the moment you gave the feature to all I-Frame shooters, there would be a huge clamor for AVCHD.
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Actually this is my first time working with the file based system. XDCAM. Usually the guys give me a single video file for footage and use it just it straight up.
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Windows 7 64-bit SP1
Prelude CC v2.0.1 (118)
I've been using Prelude about 9 months now and have got used to it's foibles. Hopefully some of these are being addressed for future releases.
But the recent update seems to have introduced some problems that I didn't notice in previous versions.
My query is on the new File Rename feature (the lower part of the Ingest panel).
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The first is that the Creation Date appears as today's date, not the one from the file as I would understand it. I would prefer it to pick up the actual Creation Date as it shows in the Metadata of the clip and also the time (i know this has already been suggested by an FCP user).
The second is that If i rename a batch of files using the Auto Increment and then decide I want to add some more footage shot at a later date but maybe the same location. I already have for example files labelled location_01 to location_15. Now i want to ingest some more but starting at location_16. Currently, I can't change the AutoIncrement field setting as you can in Bridge CC.
How I wish u could just implement the Batch rename features of Bridge in Prelude. I am trying to switch from Bridge as it doesn't play nicely with video on my system. It's a pain. I love Prelude but can u please improve the renaming function.
If the creation date was correct the auto increment feature would not be an issue because the files would be named differently. As it is, ingesting tons of footage on the same day results in chaos. Having to remember to manually change the date (I have it as a Custom Text field) is a nightmare and I can see forgetting to do it then it will be a mess.
Perhaps my workflow is slightly different to someone who works in say TV but it would be nice when I know the features present in Bridge applied to all the other Suite apps.
Any pointers would be REALLY useful because this is driving me insane at the moment. And you guys are understandably reluctant to release details of future changes and features, so who knows you could be working on it right now.
Thanks
Just found there is another post asking more or less the same but no comments
http://forums.adobe.com/message/5823964#5823964
Message was edited by: GraphiteGal

I'd like to second the request to be able to change the starting value of the auto increment function when ingesting in Prelude CC.
If I'm ingesting batches of footage either from different cards or at different times, it creates a mess of both manual file renaming in Finder (or batch renaming—same issue of additional, unnecessary work) and also (sometimes?) getting "file ingest error" messages from Prelude because I've already imported a file with the Custom_Text_(01) name.
For anyone else with the same issue: https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform
Thanks!

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Hi Jenny,
Firstly, I have really enjoyed using Adobe CC this year, very happy with my choice to migrate from Avid to CC.
Just a bit of constructive criticism for the prelude team on this point-
The way I have interpreted it, Prelude is a tool to ingest, log and prepare footage for Premiere, and there is a bit of a gap when it comes to synching seperate audio and working with multicam clips.
For singlecam clips, the program works fine for the most part- but on most professional level productions, there will be either; a) External audio recorded, or b) Multiple synched camera angles.
If the suggested workflow for working with seperate audio is to go to premiere first and then export to prelude, I think that is a bit of a backwards step if prelude is supposed to be the 'prepping' program.
And as for multicam workflow, I don't think Prelude is capable of working there either.
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Transcoding in Prelude CC Problem!!

Hello - Prelude CC newbie here, but I need some help as soon as possible.
I'm using prelude to transcode AVCHD files from an SD card to ProRes for use in Premiere. When I use the Ingest menu to select clips for transfer and transcoding, when I select my clips and attempt to check the "transcode" box, the box and text is gray and I cannot click it. What is the reason for this?
Thanks! -jeremy

Hi Jeremy,
Have you enabled Transfer clips to Destination option like below?
Also, hate to state what may be obvious, but you will need make sure Adobe Media Encoder CC also installed and function well for this to work.
Best,
Lin

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