Visual distortion after rendering (Apple ProRes)

When I use the share project "Master File" option and select any of the "Apple ProRes" options my final rendering has horazontal distortion lines that apear around moving objects.
My work around has been having to render using the share project "Email" option. Overall quality is not as good but I don't get the visual distortions.
Anyone else have this problem and found a solution. I find it a bummer that I can't use the built in compression options to render my movies.

Yes, your clips are interlaced. The 60i means 60 fields displayed at 29.97 frames per second.
My guess is what you're seeing is interlaced combing, which is typically visible in scenes with lots of motion, and is very distracting when displayed on a computer screen. (Interlaced is really a format made for broadcast.)
So you probably want to de-interlace. Your options include doing that from within FCP (choose the Settings view for the Inspector, Compressor (use Frame Controls), Motion (apply filter), and MPEG Streamclip (a free download). See if de-interlacing doesn't cure the problem.
My preference would be to de-interlace the material, then import it. But since you presumably have a completed project, try changing the field dominance over-ride in the Inspector to see whether the results are satisfactory.
Good luck.
Russ

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AE CC does not quit after rendering to Apple Pro Res

Hi
It already started in AE CC when it came out and I thought it would be solved in version 2014.
But the problem remains. When I render a 90 minutes film (Apple Prores 444) with some corrections again to Apple Prores 444 (3 hours)
and I then want to quit AE it does not quit. I have to force quit all the time. It does not happen with short clips only with long rendering.
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Uli
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Alex CVideo > I am so happy that you wrote about this
Yes: this is the exact problem. Very nice screencap, this is exaclty it (even if I said it 2 times now).
I have a little secret for you:
I read in another discussion saying that he had this problem too.
The only time I ever did in the entire Internet.
here it is :
this guy re-installed her entire system
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and this time it worked.
Right now I prefer to convert to 1079p than risk this entire operation even it it worked 100% lol
At least not right now
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Apple ProRes 422 HQ needs rendering, but it shouldn't.

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Apple ProRes 422 (HQ) 1920 X 1080 24p 48khz preset.
Frame Size: 1920 X 1080 (HDTV 1080i 16:9)
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Pixel Aspect: Square
Editing Timebase: 23.98fps
Compressor: Apple ProRes 422 HQ
Audio: 48khz/16-bit
Data Rate: 19.5 MB/sec
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As an experiment, I exported a brief (one minute) clip from the same master sequence. I then slipped that clip into my TimeCode burn sequence and it does not need rendering (it shouldn't).
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Message was edited by: Mr. Landers
Message was edited by: Mr. Landers

No, you're absolutely correct to use HQ. Just checking.
The Red footage is has 4:4:4 subsampling, so HQ's the way to go.
If you generally use Recompress All Frames on Export then you probably know that it's pointless to render your timeline before an Export, since your Render files won't be accessed. Unless you need to work in that same sequence with the timecode - but, you could just use your exported master for that.
I know the recompress all frames option is probably overkill for a sequence with only one effect, but I'm also thinking about drive space. With those huge Red files, your render files have to be eating up quite a lot of it.
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