Which Proof Setup view to use?

When I'm in Photoshop and I go to View>Proof setup... which one should I have checked to make certain I'm getting correct colors etc. for the image I"m working on? I want that image look the same to me as it's going to look when I send it to the lab for prints or put it on a website or whatever. I know if it's say a business card my proof setup is on CMYK but if it's portraits I'm working on, should it be Windows RGB or Monitor RGB or what? Then, if I"m going to save a version for the web should I change that view and if so to what? The whole thing could drive you crazy! I"m running Windows Vista 32 bit home premium version and Photoshop CS4.

lesrenee wrote:
Oh, my mistake... I'm not converting them, I'm using "assign profile".
When I use the "convert" profile there's very little change in the look of
the image. What's the difference?
But you mentioned in your previous posts that you have Photoshop set to ask "what do you want to do" when opening images with mismatched profiles. If that's the case, there is no "assign profile" options there. There you can only "convert", leave as is, and discard profile. You can assign profiles from the Edit menu though.
Well, so far no one has an idea what exactly you do with your images and in order to understand what's going on, you have to go through the usual process of what you do and pay close attention to each step you are making, take notes, and try to describe it as accurately as possible. Do not tell what you do based on memory because you may not be aware of what exactly you have done.
"Assign" keeps the original color values but changes the color appearance. For example, it keeps the same RGB numbers of the colors in the file but changes the RGB numbers your video card is using to display these colors, and you see a color shift. This is useful when you have an image without a color profile or wrong color profile and you know what profile describes the color space used for creating the image .
"Convert" changes the color values but keeps the appearance. The RGB numbers coming from the video card don't change but the color values in the file change. This is the ultimate goal of color management - to make different devices display or produce the same color while changing the color values of the image to compensate for the differences of each device.
lesrenee wrote:
... So what's the reason you use these different profiles for various companies
if the image looks the same on my monitor?? Is what I'm seeing the same as
what the printed images will look like?
Read my explanation of "Convert" above as an answer to your question
lesrenee wrote:... What about when I get an ICC profile like from Costco and I want to see what it will look like if I send it to them. Do I convert it to the
Costco ICC profile or assign it or what?
MPIX sent me their profile too. So should I convert it to their profile
before sending it to them or leave it as a sRGB??
You convert to that profile. Photoshop will convert the numbers describing the colors in the file in order to match the intended colors to the color reproduction capabilities of the destination device, and by using the profile of the destination device, Photoshop can display colors unchanged or as close as possible on your monitor by using the monitor profile installed in your Windows system.

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