Workflow for AVCHD 5.1 audio in FCP

I have a Panasonic HDC-TM700 cam using the included 5.1 audio offering. I know it's not "true" 5.1, but I want it anyway.
I 100% understand FCP does not natively support AVCHD, but worse....it mixes down the 5.1 to stereo when I Log and Transfer to any of the available codecs. I know FCP can edit 5.1.
I tried ClipGrab in hopes it would produce a ProRes file w/ 5.1. It did not.
Premiere Elements 9 demo not only allows me to natively edit my AVCHD files shot in both 60i and 60p (no transcode), but it also retains the original 5.1 tracks and can output either a Dolby 5.1 or an AAC 5.1. My issue is I don't know how to edit in Premiere. I've been using FCP for almost 8 years and would prefer not to learn a whole new app.
HDD space is not an issue and 3rd party apps are an expected solution.
I have a hunch I'll have to edit in Pre9 until Apple includes this in FCP/FCE, but wanted to ping all you to see if I've missed a work around somewhere.
Thanks!

Hi Pi,
Yes I have setup all channels as you mentioned.  I am not sure if this matters, but I am only given a1 and a2 tabs on the left though.  What I mean by this is that there is the column in between the show/hide audio button and the connecting destination A tracks.  I believe these are the source buttons.  Does that make sense?  Shouldn't I see a matching button for all tracks?
I would also add that my ending goal was to convert this file to multiple file types such as a .m4v so that it will work on aTV and iPads.  I have tried exporting to .m4v from FCP and received a non-specific general error.  If I try the self contained QT option I am downgraded to 2 channel audio which is not ideal.

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