XP SP2 limits my overclockability

Whenever I install XP SP2 on either of my Athlon 64 setups, it really puts a limit on how much I can overclock without getting errors either in Prime95 or just running a game.
I tried to disable DEP but it didn't help too much. I seem to have a much more stable system when overclocked with just SP1. Anyone else experience this as well?

Wow, thats scary. That list of fixes is tremendous. The thing that concerns me is, I've spent the last 2 months setting my computer up to run just as i like it. Windows XP is already bloated with services and features that slow down a computer. I have tweaked and turned off over 30 services that i didnt need. Im also running in selective start-up. I wonder how many more uneeded services will be added after this install.
Do i need to download updated drivers from MSI to work with this? Do i need to be running without selective start-up before i install? Do i need to turn off the Nvidia firewall before installing? And will it change back my settings of the sevices I have already stopped? To many questions, i know. But it took me over a year to save for this computer and its been running great, id hate to screw that up. Also do you think it will effect using LiveUpdate to update the bios, because of the write protections?
I would just say forget it, but im obsessive when it comes to making sure i have the latest drivers and updates such as this. I kinda wish they never came out with this as a package and only listed critical updates without all the unnecessary.
Will they still have critical updates for people still wanting to keep sp1?
Please anyone with some advice please give your opinions. Im driving myself nuts.

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