Zfs snapshots and booting ...

Hello,
In solaris 9, filesystem snapshots did not survive reboots. Do zfs snapshots in solaris 10 persist across reboots ?
Can I boot off of a zfs partition ?
thanks.

Does this mean that when new machines appear with zfs
support, OR when I can update my PROM, that I will be
able to boot a zfs partition ?ZFS isn't out yet, so your question is premature. We'll get a look at it within a few weeks, hopefully.
However, a few months ago it was widely reported by the developers that the initial release would not have boot support. Who knows if this has changed or not.
I don't see any particular reason that PROM or hardware support is required, it should just need a bootloader that understands ZFS. I don't think that there's any UFS support in the existing proms. Just stuff that understands the VTOC label and how to load and execute a few blocks from a particular slice.
Darren

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