720p 60 fps slow motion

I have a new helmet cam (Go Pro HD Hero). I have been playing around with the 5 formats for video. I did a 30 second shot with each of the 5 formats. FCP would not recognize 2 of the formats I tried to bring into Final Cut. The two formats are both of the 60 fps formats. Any thoughts? All captured as mp4.

Ok so the 60 fps formats (resolutions) are not recognized. This seems so strange because the other 3 resolutions shot by the camera import just fine. The 60 fps are not recognized:
1080p = 1920x1080 pixels (16:9), 30 fps, 15 Mbit/s data rate
960p = 1280x960 pixels (4:3), 30 fps, 12 Mbit/s data rate
*720p = 1280x720 pixels (16:9), 60 fps, 15 Mbit/s data rate*
720p = 1280x720 pixels (16:9), 30 fps, 8 Mbit/s data rate
*WVGA = 848x480 pixels (16:9), 60 fps, 8 Mbit/s data rate*
Note this is in the paperwork with the camera:
Video Format: H.264 compression, saved as Windows- & Mac-compatible MPEG4 (.mp4) file
I am able to bring all 5 test resolution clips I made onto my desktop. They all play with Quicktime, MPEG streamclip.
Here is the camera:
http://www.goprocamera.com/index.php?area=2&productid=29
1- I am having a hard time believing that 2 of these are unreadable by final cut pro. Thoughts?
2- What format using Quicktime or MPEG streamclip do I export as?
3- Any simple tutorials on Cinama tools for slow motion? - I have not used.
This will be used on a vacation in a few days and the footage will be combined/edited with/in a movie with my standard 16x9 footage from my camcorder
Thanks for the help.

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Uh...that camera cannot shoot 10000fps. The max it can shoot is 30fps. The SHUTTER can be switched to 1000 (but not 10,000 I don't think), but that is not the FRAME RATE, it is the SHUTTER speed. Two very different things.
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Tried to shoot 60 FPS for slow motion, but ...

I have a DVCPro HD clip, 720P, 59.94 frames per second. I was hoping to get a medium slow-motion effect in FCP. So I imported it and put it in a 23.97 frames per second sequence. It shows at regular speed. Hmmm...
I looked at the clip in the Viewer. I found a part of the action that lasts one second, and I counted 60 frames for that second. But in the Sequence, that same action shows only 24 frames.
Then I got a brilliant idea! I used Modify - Speed to slow it down to 40%. I hoped I would see all 60 frames of that one-second bit of action. But instead of showing all 60 frames, FCP uses only about 24 frames, and copies each frame once or twice to stretch out the action. So the action looks jumpy instead of smooth.
A friend last last month shot something with the Panasonic HVX200 at DVCProHD 59.54 FPS, and he got a smooth slow motion effect in FCP. But he moved out and isn't answering his phone.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

I owe everyone an apology, because I gave the wrong information about the video file. As you will recall, I was frustrated that it appeared to play at only 23.97 frames per second in Final Cut Pro, even though I thought I had shot it at 60 fps. Yesterday I discovered why it appeared to play at a different frame rate, but the reason was so bizarre, so unbelievable, that I began to doubt my own sanity.
Friends, the video clip changes frame rate in the middle! Yes, it does. You see, I had been looking at a portion of the shot with the lower frame rate; later in the same shot, the frame rate increased to 60 fps. You may ask, how is this possible? I do not know. I only know that I shot it with the little Sanyo HD1000 camcorder, which records as AVCHD (h.264), and the clip changed to a slower frame rate when the shot got darker, then back to 60 fps when the shot got brighter. Apparently the camcorder reacted to the lack of light by decreasing the frame rate, in order to have time to gather more light for each frame.

Shoot 720p 60 for Slow Motion on PAL DVD . . ?

Ever since I became interested in shooting slow motion, I've been quite envious of NTSC users because they enjoy 30 fps rather than PAL's juddering 25 fps.
Interesting to note that the +'grass is always greener'+ syndrome has kicked in though. A great many NTSC video makers are desperate to achieve the +'film look'+ while many over here, want smoother footage.
Personally, I fail to understand why anyone would want juddery footage, but then I detest the wavy camera phase that film makers are going through at the moment. Now I'm showing my age.
With the galloping technical advance of 'prosumer' camcorders, we now have a choice of formats and this has led me to wonder whether shooting in 720p 60 fps and then converting this to PAL DV could achieve a nicer slow motion than shooting 720p 50 fps.
I'm not in a position to run any trial just at the moment, but the idea's been in my head for a while now, and I wondered if anyone has any thoughts or experience on this.
Because of the nature of my subject, I cannot predict with much accuracy which scenes will be required at normal speed and which will be slow, so I shoot everything at 50 fps and then I can choose.
+PS. I'm not very technically minded so forgive me If I've overlooked some obvious flaw!+
I should add (although it's surely obvious) that I shoot in HD in an attempt to 'future proof' my footage. The vast majority of my audience has only recently converted to DVD, let alone HD.
Message was edited by: andynick

Sorry, did kind of lack technical details but then there are precious few to consider, after all, overcranking (running a camera at a higher recording framerate than the intended playback framerate) has been the way this has been done for years, and the new video cameras that allow 60p recording make an ideal poor man's high speed camera, especially for 24p and 25p playback. Also its much easier just to tell folks what they want to hear

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Smooth Slow Motion from 50 fps Clip in 50 fps Timeline

If I want 50% smooth slow motion from a 50 FPS video clip, I would normally ask PP to interpret that clip as 25 FPS - that works great.
If however I import the 50 FPS video clip and interprett it as 50 FPS, I would have to set the speed of the video clip in the timeline to 50% to get the same level of slow motion.
The question is - when I follow the latter method, does PP create new frames for the slow motion or is it clever enough to use all the frames from the original 50 FPS video clip? to put it another away, does PP always generate NEW frames for slow motion or does it try to use the frames we are attempting to ignore?
I've done some basic tests and so far I can't see any real difference between the two methods. This leads me to beleive PP is effectively using all of the original 50 frames when the 50 fps video clip is imported into a 50 fps timeline and then slowed down in the timeline by 50%. - if this is the case, well done PP!!! If this is not the case, then it would be a welcomed enhancement in future releases.
I guess what you are all wondering is why would I want to import a 50 fps video clip into a 50 fps timeline and then slow it down in the timeline - well, as a wedding Videographer, it is simply because some parts of the video need to be in slow motion and other parts like messages and speeches need to be interpreted at normal speed. If playback in the timeline is at normal speed, i find it simpler to slow down the "Walking Down the Isle" clips rather than having to speed up the speeaches and messages.
In short, when importing 50 fps video for smooth slow motion, are both the following methods equally effective in terms of smooth motion?
Method 1: Import the 50 fps video clip into 25 fps timeline
Method 2: import the 50 fps video clip into 50 fps timeline and set the speed of the video clip in the timeline to 50% - I'm assuming PP does not generate new frames and gets them from the original 50 fps file instead..
To put it another way, does PP ALWAYS attempt to generate new fromes when slowing down video in the timeline? When extra frames are available in the original video file, does PP try to get the extra frames from that file instead of generating new ones?

I recorded 2 video clips of the same scene. The camera was panning from right to left.
First video clip - recorded at 25 fps
second video clip - recorded at 50 fps
Both video clips recorded at the same panning speed of the same scene.
1. If I import the 25 fps video into 25 fps timeline and slow it down by 50%, the exported video looks jerky.
2. If I import the 50 fps video clip into 25 fps timeline, the exported video looks smooth motion.
3. If I import the 50 fps video clip into 50 fps timeline, slow it down in the timeline by 50%, and export the video as 25 fps then the result is still smooth motion.
I've only done the experiment once and may have to repeat to be absolutely sure.

Using 720p 50fps video for Slow Motion

Hi there,
I've recently started using Photoshop Elements 9 for editing my action sports footage, and its a big improvement over free to use programs that I used before.
The thing that I have run into, and that I can't seem to solve, is making footage slow down.
I'm using both a GoPro camera (HD and HD2) and a Canon EOS 550D to shoot my video. Everything is shot at 720p @ 50fps so that I can use the footage slowed down when I want to use it that way without making it choppy (in normal 25fps export video (can be 720p, but I might use 1080p as well))
I've set up a project in PE9 using the preset for PAL-DSLR-720-50fps so that (me thinking) I can import 50fps footage without losing frames for importing. However, when I use the time timestretch function (through right click menu) and set the strech to 50% (so effectively 25fps) the video doesn't appear to have the extra frames. Even after rendering, if I foreward 1 frame at the time, every second frame is simply just a copy of the previous one. I've checked the file properties through PE9 and it says that the file is 50.000fps, so there should be 50fps available to build the footage from (yet only showing 25fps in frame by frame mode).
In searching the forum I've found some other suggestions to solve this, including the 'Interpret Footage' function. I've tried setting it to 'Interpret as 25fps' to see if this changed anything (as to smear out all available 50 frames over a 25fps clip, doubling its length), but that also retured with a copied frame every second frame.
I've also tried setting the project preset to DSLR-1080p @ 25fps to see if that might have an effect, but as soon as I import my 720p video it changes the project preset to AVCHD-LITE-720p50. Using that returns the same issue (btw, what is the difference between DSLR setting and AVCHD?). Using the AVCHD-720p @ 25pfs together with 'interpret footage at 25fps' also reverted to 50fps as soon as I imported the video file.
Frame blending isn't an option as it doesn't actually blend them. It just overlays the two frames and changes the opacity of the upper one (or so it seems), creating this weird blurry overlay effect, instead of interpolating the objects between the two frames (but maybe I'm asking for too much on this function).
Can someone please help me solve this slo-motion effect issue? I really want to use the full available 50fps footage I have shot to create smooth slow-motion in a 25fps export video (i'm not looking at reducing it much more than that). It seems that half the frames are dropped out as soon as I import into PE9.
Thanks,

As we've often discussed on this forum, Go-Pro footage rarely behaves in this program as source footage. The best solution we've found is a conversion to an editable format.
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/668369?tstart=0
In fact, mixing video footage of any types is usually not a good idea. Especially when your project settings may not fully match either.
Try using just the footage from your Canon. When you add it to your timeline, do you see red lines above the clips? If so, you are not using the correct project settings for your footage.

HVX200 slow motion ?

I shot 720PN at 60 frames per second with the Panasonic HVX200. I used FCP "Log and Transfer," and it created Quicktime files on my scratch disk just fine. When I play one of those files in the Quicktime player, it actually has 60 separate frames per second - I counted them. So far, so good.
But when I import that file into FCP (Sequence set at 720 P / 24 fps), it will not play as a slow motion shot. It plays at regular speed; I can see people walking around at normal speed.
I tried using Modify - Speed to reduce the clip to 40%, but that just duplicates frames and gives a stuttering look. I can't figure out how to get all 60 fps in Final Cut Pro. Anybody know what I'm doing wrong?
- Seth Hill

I set the camera to FILM CAM, then selected 60 fps in the first menu, then set the record setup to 720/24PN. I thought this would "overcrank" the shot.
Nope...that didn't do it. YOu set the camera up at 720p60 and the frame rate at 24fps. Then it records 60frames to 24 frames...thus slowing it down. Play with this setting...
But when I put the clip into the Timeline (Sequence settings are 720P / 24 fps), the clip does not play like slow-motion; it plays at regular speed.
Yup...because just dropping 60fps into a 24fps timeline does not slow it down.
If I use Modify - Speed to slow it down, it does not show all 60 frames, it just duplicates frames and creates a "stuttering" look instead of a smooth, slow look.
Correct...because that is NOT the way to slow down DVCPRO HD 60fps footage.
Is there a way to get the "overcranked" shot into FCP without having to convert it?
No. WHy are you against converting it? The FRC makes a new clip that is slow...so you have the main clip which is normal speed, and the new slow motion version. Why is that a problem?
Shane

Slow motion and frame rate and shutter speed

I have two cameras that record 60i and three that use 30p. Neither of the 60i cameras has a 30p option (one has a pf30). If I understand how FCPx handles this, if I drop both frame rates into a project, I get 30p out, correct? In effect de-interlacing the 60i footage to 30p. Is it best to import the 30p footage first to set that frame rate so that the 60i gets rendered to 30p?
We're producing a fishing DVD so good quality motion footage is important. This is an instructional DVD so I will be using some retiming to slow footage down to illustrate key points in the instruction.
I've read a lot of stuff on 1080i 60i vs. pf30 vs.30p vs. 24fps and benefits of using 720p vs. 1080i. Also looked at information on slow vs. fast shutter speeds.
So, the bottom line to get the best motion results for the DVD, I should be shooting at best bit rate possible, use 1080i 60i or 30p depending on the camera and let FCPx set everything to 30p. Correct?

For the 1080/60i media, it is best to have FCPX conform it to 30p (29.97p). [30p is a real timing: 30 exact frames per second, but it is not broadcast compliant. 29.97 is quite often simply referred to as 30, just for simplicity and/or laziness. The final decision for which to use rests with you. Also note, like "30 fps", 60 more often refers to 59.94 fps... for the same reasons.]
As for your target being DVD: DVD is always 480 lines whether it is anamorphic (16:9) or standard 4:3. If you would like to have "enhanced" slow motion, my recommendation would be to shoot in 720/60p (which is genuinely progressive "60" frames per second) and will give a slightly better edge on slow motion effects (retiming). That said, FCPX retiming is usually quite good no matter what the frame rate (frame blending recommended over optical flow [which tends to give a "morphing" effect when pushed too far].) 1280x720 frame size will give you plenty of downsampling resolution for DVD as well. [I *believe* that FCPX will use all of the 60fps available from the original video in retiming, even if the frame rate of the project is slower than the original media; so, 720/60p conformed to a 30p project and retimed to 50% will use every frame of the 60p slowed down by half... (somebody correct me if I'm wrong!)]
Best bitrate is also an important feature, but that is not due to the choice of format as much as that provided by the camera itself. Bitrates out of the camera may be relative to the frame size (they are in my consumer camcorders). A common consumer grade camcorder will top out at a bitrate (for 1080) somewhere between 17.5 and 22.5 Mbps, whereas an HD capable DSLR will usually top out at (easily) *twice* as much (45Mbps average from my Canon T4i) or more. Furthermore, the DVD standard imposes framerate restrictions (max is somewhere between 5 and 8Mbps -- the software that creates your DVDs will usually transcode for best bitrate, so not something you really need to bother with - just set the transcoder to best possible quality and provide it with the best quality video that's reasonable.) Whichever camera provides the highest bitrate should be your "main" camera.
As you may have discovered: another factor for a quality video regardless of camera is shutter speed. If you set the shutter speed too high (faster than twice the frame rate) then you will have "stuttering" issues (there will be "gaps" from still frame to still frame). Keep the shutter speed at the same or no more than twice the frame rate: e.g., for 1080/30p (target) the shutter speed should never be more than 1/60th of a second (I'll use 1/30th, 1/40th, or 1/50th usually). I haven't shot a lot of 720/60p, but I think I would still keep the shutter speed at between 1/60th and 1/120th exclusively [that is -- I wouldn't go as high as 1/120th or greater... but that's me... you should experiment for best results for you. If this creates exposure issues, then consider neutral density filters or circular polarizing filters to help bring scenes into exposure range (via aperture or iso or both.)
HTH
Good luck! Have a good shoot!

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Can I take video shot 720p at 60 fps and use both slow motion and normal speeds in the same video??

Time Stretch is where I would start. If you need to apply that Effect to only part of a Clip, just use the Razor/Scissors Tool, to Cut that Clip, into the segments, where you wish to apply Time Stretch.
Posterize Time can be effective, as well, but from my reading of your needs, I think that Time Stretch (Rt-click the Clip, or Clip segment and apply).
Good luck,
Hunt

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Okay, so I've been trying to get some good slow motion video. I'm new to this whole video thing, but I'm fortunate enough to be able to have some cool toys even though I don't know how to use them yet! Anyway, here are my questions (prefaced by some details to help you answer my questions!).
What I'm working with:
Two cameras
1) GoPro shooting at 720p, 60 FPS
2) Canon Vixia HF G10 shooting at 1080i, 60 FPS
- In case my terminology is wrong, the GoPro shoots in 60p, and the Canon shoots at 60i....not sure the best way to describe it.
Editing with:
- FCPX
- I don't have Motion 5 or Compressor yet, but I can get it if its necessary for any reason
Goal that I'm working toward:
- I want to get some smooth "creamy" slow motion footage every now and then when the video I'm making calls for it.
- Here's a couple examples of the type of slow motion I'm hoping to end up with:
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Problem I'm having:
- With the GoPro (60p), I can only slow down to 50% speed before it starts to look choppy. Slower than that Optical Flow will work a little bit, but it still looks very amateur.
- With the Canon (60i, but much higher quality video), I can barely slow it down at all without it looking choppy and sloppy.
Questions:
- Am I doing something wrong?
- Do I need to download other software?
- Anybody willings to give me a step by step instruction?!
- I'm stumped...any help will be great!
Thanks!

I'm a bit short having time for my tests, but what I found out so far.
• avoid any 'natural motion blurr' in your recordings
• if optional on your device, select super-short shutter speed (<1/1000th), depending on 'action' in front of cam (ever wondered why those demos are preferred in bright sunlight? )
• avoid too high 'angle speed' = too fast too close: if the picture content changes too fast btw. frame#1 and frame#2 the eye is not able to blend the content = stutter
• Optical Flow: excellent on small angle speed, failing on fast angle speed or rotation:
watch my short demo here (YT-link) testing speeds and blending modes:
(recording 720/60p, ~1/1000th shutter speed, Project setting 25p)
• notice the perfect blending of motion far away from cam (player girl in green)
• notice the unwanted 'warp' effects around the player in blue close to cam, esp. legs
• notice the 'wobble' of rotating ball in 10% slowmo ... that is beyond Optical Flows skills
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How about using a 60fps video for a smooth slow motion effect in a 30fps project ?

Hey all,
I happen to have a video camera that is able to shoot either in 720p/60fps or 720p/30fps.
As you guessed it, 60 fps mode is very useful for action sports when you want to do some slow motion effect running very smoothly.
I have few questions I would love to be answered, and I was not able to find answers till now.
Here they are :
1/ If I want my final video file to be, let's say, 25 fps, is it mandatory that my project is 25 fps too ?
What will happen if I do a 30fps project and that I export to a 25fps file ? Does Premiere simply remove some extra frames ? Or will it lead to a longer video ? What consequence on the final result if frames are removed ? I mean, will I be able to see any difference or will the difference remain theorical ?
2/ Let's say I have both 30fps and 60fps videos. I set my project to 30fps. If I import my 60fps video to the timeline, it will be adjusted to 30fps and some frames disappear to keep the duration the same. Okay, this is clear to me.
But now, what if I import my 60fps to the timeline, but set the speed to 50% ? Will Premiere apply the 50% to the original file (therefore I should have all the frames displayed on the timeline : 60/2=30 fps), or to the 30fps-adjusted file of the timeline, leading to some jerky footage?
3/ If I want to use my 60fps for slow motion purpose in my 30fps project, would it be a good idea to right-click on this file in the project windows, going to the "modify" menu to set the image frequency to 30fps ?
Because while doing so, if I drag the file to the timeline, I noticed it would last 2 times longer (resulting in a slow motion video) Does that mean that ALL the frames of the original video are displayed ? Can someone tell me what exactly does Premiere ?
I would be very grateful if someone could tell me what are the correct settings to chose in order to realise the best slow motion videos as possible.
Thanks in advance !

With due respect... this does not answer my question and does not help me that much , but anyway, thank you for the very constructive answer ^^.
I'm not sure I would even have considered doing this by myself...
I hope I do not get this kind of answer because you feel like my question was silly or unpolite... To my mind this was a pretty serious question.
Shooternz, next time you need to go 150 km far away from where you are, go by feet rather than with a car, I'm sure you will have plenty of satisfaction too. Just cross the fingers for you not to be in a hurry while it's raining outside.
Well, I may be naive but i thought some experts already had the answer to this (I guess I'm not the only one who intend to do some slo mo), and would have been kind enough to share this knowledge with me. That's what sometimes happens in communities.
Please note I do not intend others to do the job for me, I'm just asking if someone already knows the answer.
I asked this question because I couldn't find any documentation about this, and I guess asking on internet was the next step, as testing would be like the last resort, being very time consuming.
It was easy to check the effect of dragging a file to the timeline to see if it played normally or not, but it's definitely not to count and compare each frame of some sample file to find if some are lacking, or have been doubled or what....
I assume I would be very happy with just a simple theorical answer either...
So once again, if someone already has been into such questions, I would really pleased him or her to share or report what they experienced. Thanks in advance.

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Vid Rate: 23.98 fps
Frame Size: 1280 x 720
Compressor: Apple ProRes 422 (HQ)
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After I import the file, I drag it to the preview window and play it....the sound plays normally, but the video itself is playing in slow motion....THIS IS DRIVING ME NUTS. Can any of you shed any light on this???
I drag the file to the timelime (get no messages from the system) and play it from the timeline with the same results.

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Ultra slow motion

Can someone tell my how the **** this man can make so much slow motion with a GoPro HD 720p, 60 fps videocamera?
I don't understand it.
Its 100% filmed with 60 fps, but how can he do this?
Its about 4:50 in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQV9jUgvj30&feature=mfuinorder&list=UL

conform the 60p to 24p in Cinema tools. If you want it slower, use Motion to retime with the optical flow setting. You should be able to slow it down 5x from the original 60p with good clarity if you edit the material on a 23.98 timeline.
x

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Hi
I've imported clips into iMovie 11 and can apply slow motion through Clip Adjustments. When I try to do both Slow Motion and Reverse all I get is a still clip. I tried both copying an existing Slow Motion clip and tried to reverse it and tried applying Reverse and Slow Motion at the same time to a normal clip without success. I've tried it with and without Stabilization. Any ideas?

You are not alone! But I have not found a way to resolve the problem either! Could it be a fps problem?

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