ACR 4: White Balance readings off of a target

In the good old days (ACR 3.7 and previous), I could shoot a white balance target, then open the image in ACR and use the eyedropper to set the white balance. No more. Now, I get a message that states - "The clicked area is too bright to set the white balance. Please click on a less bright neutral area."
Well, I'm using (and have been using) Danny Pascale's White Target that was made specifically for this purpose. (http://www.babelcolor.com/main_level/White_Target.htm)
Something has changed, and it's not for the better. I've tried decreasing the exposure in ACR, to make sure the values are far below 255, to no avail. Interestingly, the first measurement "click" does nothing. The second gives the error. The is very reproducible. Something's not right...
--Rich Wagner

Ok...
"You sure seem helbent on using your White Disk as a target for the white balance in Camera Raw...as you've found out, that's a bit less than optimal if your sensor exposure will likely produce a clipped channel since Camera Raw won't let you."
Well, when I'm crawling around in the mud in Costa Rica, Ecuador, or Peru, soaked, the ColorChecker card doesn't fare well. I've gone through a number of them, and in *my* field use, they suck. Period. In a studio, they're fine. I still own several. I just measured one for the numbers I gave above. I'm helbent on having something that is
reliable in my use. I could care less what it's called or who makes it. On the other hand, you seem insistant that the White Disk is inferior, and I'm trying to figure out why (other than the fact that Mr. Knoll used the ColorChecker card when designing ACR).
"What Thomas has stated and what I know to be a fact, is that the lightest grey of the CC is what the white balance tool is designed to use. It's light enough that it's not too far down the scale but dark enough to not worry about clipping. So, the ideal is to use the same patch that the white balance tool in Camera Raw was designed around."
Really? On my card, the lightest gray on the ColorChecker is
not the most neutral. The
second gray is. You can see the numbers above. Are you implying that Camera Raw will be more accurate making a WB measurement off of a patch that is not neutral, compared to one that is?
"So, what is it about your White Disk that has you so fixated on using WHITE (at the risk of clipping)? Yes, you can use it as long as it doesn't clip...is it optimal? No."
Argghhh... If I shoot a test shot and the White Disk clips, then guess what? I'm overexposing! Time to adjust the exposure before going on. This is easy to see on the White Disk because I get zebra stripes. I'f I'm shooting a gray card, I don't get that feedback and I may later discover that
important stuff was clipped, and it's too late! Sure, I can color balance just fine, but important highlights are gone. Which is most important? I can always eyeball color temperature - it's subjective, anyway. Or I can measure off something neutral in the shot. Clipped channels? Data lost is data lost...
Perhaps our shooting conditions are very dissimilar. I have found the White Disk to be a useful tool, just like many others that I have. It works (against all expectations?) and it works well. If I overexpose a neutral white target, I am often overexposing something else of interest. It becomes a
red flag when checking exposure, since I often cannot even see the histogram on the back of the camera. I am certainly NOT recommending that everyone switch to using a White Disk. I have just been surprised at the response of those who feel that for whatever reason it
cannot work as well as gray. I see no theoretical reason why not - still. Show me the math, or a give me clear-cut reason. My understanding (and experience) says otherwise. Or to put it another way, if it didn't work, I wouldn't use it, and neither would anyone else. If someone frequently overexposes their shots and relies on highlight recovery, it's probably not a good tool for them (unless it helps them correct their exposure).
--Rich

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    Scanned direclty into photoshop. And if I open the tif from explorer or bridge, bypassing Camera Raw, it opens as the 75mb file size. I thought it might have somethign to do with the color, as Bridge labels bits/channel as 'Bit depth', but the images all are 24bit, even after White Balance correction in Camera Raw.   
    Thanks for taking the time to help me figure this out. It's been causing a huge problem this week.

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