Any benefits to putting a wired router in front of an Airport Extreme?
Just curious if anyone has tried putting a wired router (either wired-only or a wireless router with the WiFi turned off) in front of an Airport Extreme in bridge mode. Any speed increase? Any other benefits?
Theoretically it should make things faster. But maybe not.
I'm currently using an Airport Extreme 5th Gen. for router and WiFi duties. I have a gigabit switch connected to the AE for the wired clients:
Modem > Airport Extreme (router & WiFi) > Switch
I could make the AE an access point (Bridge mode) and connect it to the switch:
Modem > router > Switch > Airport Extreme (WiFi)
For a router I'm looking at possibly another AE or SMB models (Cisco, TP-Link).
Thoughts?
In theory it will be no faster. The Airport Extreme is more than capable of any broadband speed you can get up to 100mbit.
The only way to tell is to connect a computer to the main modem.. and test the speed and then test via the full network setup. You will get some hit by wireless, but overall it should be small.
The only reason then to use another router is something that works better.. qos, firewall, vpn, dyndns, logging, bandwidth measurements. etc. There is a lot that the apple routers miss out on.
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Airport extreme has to connect to internet if computer goes to screen saver. Any way around this?
Describe the issue in more detail.. as it doesn't currently make sense.. the AE should always be connected to the internet. It should never disconnect.. but the computer can fail to connect to wireless after sleep.. that is common problem.
See Tesserax docos if you have wireless connect issues after sleep.
https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-3411 -
How can I see a complete list of wired and wireless clients on an Airport Extreme?
As per the title, I cannot find a way in Airport Utility to see the wired clients, only the wireless ones. It's driving me nuts! Is there any other way of doing this via the Mac if the utility doesnt have this function?
Thanks in advance.Apple unfortunately has dropped a number of features and functions in Lion and Mountain Lion within the AirPort Utility application.
If you are using the Lion operating system, download and install AirPort Utility 5.6 for Mac OS X Lion to get those features back.
If you are using Mountain Lion, Apple's software will not allow you to install AirPort Utility 5.6 in the normal way....but you can always use a utility like Pacifist to manually extract the application from the downloand package and install it in the Utilities folder on your Mac.
Then AirPort Utility 5.6 will run just fine on a Mountain Lion machine. See this article for more details:
http://www.macworld.com/article/1167965/mountain_lion_and_the_ancient_airport_ba se_station.html -
Appletv worked with old wireless router but now wont with airport extreme
I purchased an appeltv and mac mini in December. Connected everything through my old linksys wireless router and everything worked great.
past weekend I purchased a macbook and so I decided to get an aiport extreme also and keep it all in the family.
well i now have my mini, macbook, printer everythings sharing printers and streamin itunes back and forth....but now my appletv wont sync.
I cant get the appletv to popup in either of my macs itunes.
any ideas???If the OP has used both routers then this is correct.
I suspect though that the OP has simply swapped out the router for the new extreme. In which case they may need to delete the tv's from the itunes prefs and relink them (the pass code thing). Streaming is initiated from the tv, syncing from itunes, if streaming works and syncing doesn't it may well be that the tv sees the itunes library but itunes doesn't see the tv, or at least doesn't see it as the same device it's linked to. -
WRT160N downstream of a wired router setup problems
I have a wired router for access to the internet that feeds a pre-wired house. I would like to connect a WRT160N downstream to act as a switch and WAP. I don't seem to be able to set the 160N up so that both routers operate. I have tried all the setting changes I can come up with without success. Any hints?
Thanks1) Power down your network, and disconnect the WRT160N from all other devices.
2) Wire a computer to one of the LAN ports on the WRT160N.
3) Boot up the computer and WRT160N. If the computer has a wireless card, turn it off.
4) Login to the WRT160N and make the following changes:
a) set the "Local IP address" to 192.168.1.2 (This assumes that your wired router is using 192.168.1.1 and that you are not using 192.168.1.2 elsewhere in your network).
b) set the "DHCP server" to "disabled".
c) when you click on "Save Settings" you will likely be disconnected from the WRT160N. Do not worry about this.
d) power down the computer and WRT160N
5) Next, wire any LAN port on your wired router to any LAN port on the WRT160N. Do not connect anything to the Internet port of the WRT160N.
6) Power up your network. It should work.
Note: Your wired router will control all the usual router settings (DHCP server, port forwarding, etc.). The WRT160N will only control its own wireless settings.
All remaining LAN ports on both routers will function identically. -
Is a Happy Marriage Possible? New Airport Extreme & ADSL Modem/Router
Is a Happy Marriage Possible? New Airport Extreme & ADSL Modem/Router
1. I’m writing from a rural town in Southern Nepal, very close to India. I’m planning to create a new WI-FI network at a small monastery here. Ideally, we will have two parallel wireless networks: the first network produced by an ADSL router/modem and a second network produced by another router in “repeater” mode.
2. Earlier, someone suggested that, when I post a question, I should provide as many details as possible about the situation here. Forgive me if there is “too much information”. I have to make a trip to the US to buy new networking equipment, so I very much want to get this right. Once I return here, I’ll be pretty much stuck with whatever I get in the US.
3. The future routers will live next to each other in an office and could be linked by a cable (if this is the best route to go). We do not wish to “expand” the network (in the sense of making a larger WI-FI network), but rather wish to simply have two networks, hence one ADSL router/modem and one router with the “repeater” function (out-of-the-box without any jerry rigging). Both WI-FI signals need to travel approximately 100 (largely unobstructed) feet.
4. If my dreams come true, the second router would be an Apple Airport Extreme (AX). An Apple router would be ideal because my experience with Apple routers is happy: they are easy to set up, reliable, and secure. Moreover, we use Apple computers and iOS devices here (and the new AX has the “ac” thing which will be preferable as we replace old machines with new ones).
5. Yet, from reading posts and having my prior questions answered on this website, it may be that with an ADSL modem/router, all the ease and happiness of the Apple ecosystem is lost: while Apple routers seem to connect with each other easily, problems appear to arise when users try to inter-marry our non-Apple products with Apples.
6. Our current, super-crappy 2wire 2701hg-t (ADSL modem/router) covers the 100-foot distance without a problem when it is working and there is Ethernet flowing to us. Frequently, our connection is very bad, and I may be unfairly judging the 2wire 2701hg-t. But, based on user reviews on the America Amazon.com, the 2wire 2701hg-t is pretty terrible: first it is simply old and second, among other problems, it seems to have a poor quality power supply unit. I do observe that it frequently seems to be recycling from scratch as if it had turned off and restarted. In any case, we are replacing it since it may be about 4 or 5 years old.
7. In previous posts on this forum, “LaPastenague” responded to some of my earlier questions about AX and ADSL. Among other things, he pointed out that (1) line-attenuation may be contributing to our poor connection and (2) we must choose a modem/router that is suitable for “long lines.” I’ve looked at our current modem/router statistics page; however, there are no statistics for line-attenuation or noise. (As you will see below, my strategy is to get the “better” modem/router that is suitable for long lines.)
8. Concerning our ADSL service, these are the facts I’ve gleaned from looking at the current router’s configuration pages:
Connection Type: PPPoE
Currently, the router is configured to use WPA-PSK security.
Connection Speed: Incoming: 1024 kbps & Outgoing: 509 kbps
(The following information may be unimportant at this time.)
Broadband Link Diagnostics:
DSL Synchronization: UP
G.DMT Signal: UP
PVC Connection: UP
PPPoE Service: UP
PPP Authentication: UP
IP Connection: UP
DNS Communication: UP
9. The ISP (Nepal Telecom) doesn’t supply a modem/router; however, they do have a list of (at times ancient) hardware and hardware vendors:
http://www.ntc.net.np/internet/adsl/adsl_vendersConf.php
10. Concerning what equipment is available here, what I have observed is that generally the ADSL modem/routers for sale locally, and in the far-away capital Kathmandu, and in nearby India are often also available in the United States, but they are the cheaper, older models. I will have to buy the new equipment in the US this year. At a different institution nearby, they are using the TP-Link modem/router td-w89016 which they purchased locally, I believe.
11. Based in part on LaPastenague’s earlier advice, I want to buy the TP-LINK TD-W8980 N600 Wireless Dual Band Gigabit ADSL2+ Modem Router (2.4GHz 300Mbps+5Ghz 300Mbps, IPv6 Compatible). This appears to be the most popular ADSL device on Amazon now.
Will this modem/router work EASILY with the Airport Extreme in the manner I’ve described? That is, connecting the two with a cable and creating two WI-FI networks.
12. Also, is it generally correct that the best way to connect them is with an Ethernet cable: https://discussions.apple.com/message/23759755#23759755
13. In fact, does connecting them with a cable help alleviate some of the problems that can occur between the Apple device and the ADSL modem/router?
14. If this will work, what “mode” will the AX device be in (again, in order to have two separate networks with separate passwords)? I have heard of the “repeater”, “roaming” , and “bridge” modes.
15. Are there two levels of passwords which need to be considered? Of course, there is the network and network passwords which we create here and which will be different. But, does the Apple also have to have the ISP password like the principle ADSL modem/router?
16. To set this up, what information do I need from the ISP (e.g., passwords, IPs…)?
I think there are a lot of good reasons to use an AX router. Of course, if it is just going to be very cumbersome then, we would be loosing one of the best parts of using Apple products. So, whoever feels knowledgeable enough to reply to this post, please be sincere if you think it is better to avoid the Apple. Apple can rest assured that I will buy other things from them!
In that case, I’d likely buy a second TP-Link device to create a second network:
TL-Wa801NP [AP Mode Multi-SSID Mode AP Client Mode Repeater Mode (WDS / Universal) AP+ Bridge mode (point-to-point / point to Multi-point)].
Thank you in advance. Long live Apple!
Message was edited by: Jess1911I am not sure if there are different interfaces but my 2wire does an excellent job with line info.
I get into this from browser.. using main IP.. in my case 10.0.0.138/MDC
In your case it should be whatever the IP of the 2wire is, followed by /mdc
Give it a try.
As you can see it shows vendor and loads of info about the line.
I rate it the best domestic modem for line info.
A good modem actually albeit a lousy router.
MDC is the diagnostics and Management Console.
3. The future routers will live next to each other in an office and could be linked by a cable (if this is the best route to go). We do not wish to “expand” the network (in the sense of making a larger WI-FI network), but rather wish to simply have two networks, hence one ADSL router/modem and one router with the “repeater” function (out-of-the-box without any jerry rigging). Both WI-FI signals need to travel approximately 100 (largely unobstructed) feet.
You are not repeating.. you are simply setting up two routers which are interconnected, so one is dependent on the other.. ie one is your adsl modem router and that will take the main router function. Your second router is really not working as a router, but as wireless access point (and switch if you plug things in).
That is perfectly fine. You are not roaming in this case since both routers are running different wireless names and networks.. but they are actually using same IP range.. all devices are on the one IP network with two different wireless access points.
4. If my dreams come true, the second router would be an Apple Airport Extreme (AX).
Apple router is fine for this. Easy to configure out of the box.
5. Yet, from reading posts and having my prior questions answered on this website, it may be that with an ADSL modem/router, all the ease and happiness of the Apple ecosystem is lost: while Apple routers seem to connect with each other easily, problems appear to arise when users try to inter-marry our non-Apple products with Apples.
The problem arises when you try and interconnect using wireless extend or repeater.. you are not using wireless to extend, you are using ethernet. Wired has no issues.
11. Based in part on LaPastenague’s earlier advice, I want to buy the TP-LINK TD-W8980 N600 Wireless Dual Band Gigabit ADSL2+ Modem Router (2.4GHz 300Mbps+5Ghz 300Mbps, IPv6 Compatible). This appears to be the most popular ADSL device on Amazon now.
Will this modem/router work EASILY with the Airport Extreme in the manner I’ve described? That is, connecting the two with a cable and creating two WI-FI networks.
It is a good choice.. It should be fine considering how poor your line is.. this modem is proving to have a couple of bugs.. it does not handle torrents well but I would suggest your system is not being used for that purpose. It has some port forwarding issues. Again you are probably not going to overload it.
12. Also, is it generally correct that the best way to connect them is with an Ethernet cable: https://discussions.apple.com/message/23759755#23759755
Absolutely best.. only decent method.
14. If this will work, what “mode” will the AX device be in (again, in order to have two separate networks with separate passwords)? I have heard of the “repeater”, “roaming” , and “bridge” modes.
Bridge. Although if it gives issues there is another method, although rather complex to setup.. not something to worry about now.
15. Are there two levels of passwords which need to be considered? Of course, there is the network and network passwords which we create here and which will be different. But, does the Apple also have to have the ISP password like the principle ADSL modem/router?
Only the adsl modem has the ISP authentication.. it is the box that does the link. The TC just piggy backs.
The passwords on the TC are for its Admin, wireless and disk access.
16. To set this up, what information do I need from the ISP (e.g., passwords, IPs…)?
For ADSL you must have the PPPoE authentication username and password.
So, whoever feels knowledgeable enough to reply to this post, please be sincere if you think it is better to avoid the Apple.
hmmm.. I am biased because I see the issues not all the good stories..
The latest airport and Time Capsule seem to have a few pretty severe bugs.. if they happen to hit you, they are extremely hard to fix if you are in the middle of Nepal. And Apple service centre is a long long way away.
I cannot answer your question from the point of view of a person on the ground in remote area. If the economics of the purchase works for you, great. Go for it.
In terms of wireless coverage.. the Asus AC models or Netgear R7000 kill the Apple. Sorry but it is just fact.
See reviews here.
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/router-charts/bar/113-5-ghz-dn-c
That is average.. if you look at the apple router in the worst location by changing the filters, it comes out worse again.
I cannot post the URL to our local forum here.. (apple doesn't allow it). But in testing with apple clients the asus still beat Apple router soundly.
Pure wireless range is not the only consideration.. but in a mixed environment and since the wireless on the 8980N is not too bad.. then buy Apple router for apple client devices makes good sense.
Maybe the older Gen5.. or two of them.. would do a better job.. with a bit more tested and known hardware.
One thing you do need to check.
Routers from every other brand allow you to select country. Any country from anywhere in the world. Apple routers do not.
If you buy an airport in North America it is coded to North America and offers just a few countries.. USA, Canada I suppose.. what else is North America??
You cannot change it to Nepal.
To get the one for Nepal you must buy the model that covers, South Asia I guess.. I am not sure which it is.
See what the license information is for wifi in Nepal as it might be very different to US and therefore illegal for you to run it in Nepal.
If only the whole world would just bow to America.. we could all follow the FCC regs..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels
This only applies to the Apple.. the TP-Link etc allows you to choose Nepal or correct country regulations for wifi.
Buying modems has one tricky bit.. that the actual adsl ATM channel is different in different parts of the world. No modem is usually impossible to setup but some can be difficult if it is pre-configured for US.. this is easy to overcome generally as you can download a firmware for another locality, so you can have local settings. -
I want to use an Airport Extreme as my router. I currently have a Verizon FiOS router. I have Verizon for phone, internet and TV. However, TV-wise, I just have a basic service for one TV with just a regular box. No HD, no DVR. Don't need access to a menu, widgets, on-demand. Can I eliminate the FiOS Router and just use the Airport Extreme and still have phone and internet?
I know that it will increase my wireless coverage in my house but will it increase the speeds?
Not sure what you are asking here. The AirPort Extreme is only going to be as fast as the Internet connection that it receives.....which is 75/75. It cannot take a 75/75 connection and make it go any faster.
If you locate the AirPort Extreme in an area where you need more wireless signal coverage, the AirPort Extreme would deliver 75/75 in that area. But, keep in mind that the AirPort Extreme must connect to the FIOS router using a permanent, wired Ethernet cable connection.
If you are asking if the AirPort Extreme can wirelessly connect to the FIOS modem router, and extend the FIOS wireless network, the AirPort Extreme would not be compatible with a FIOS product for that purpose. -
Hi,
I have an existing modem/router from my ISP that does DHCP and NAT with base IP 192.168.1.1 distributed in the wireless network. I use this wireless network for our private devices. I could turn off the DHCP server in this first router, but there isn't a separate setting to turn off NAT.
I want to connect my Airport Extreme (4th gen) to this existing router to create a separate wireless network for visiting guests, where IP addresses of 10.0.0.0 etc. are used. So I do not want to use the Airport Extreme in bridge mode, as I would like to keep the devices on the first network 'invisible' for those on the second network. (P.S. when connected in bridge mode, the Airport works well and can distribute a network with a different name from the first. It's just that I would feel more comfortable about our privacy if the Airport were to distribute a different IP range. False security, maybe?)
I've tried doing this by 'Sharing a public IP address' in Airport Utility's Internet tab, leaving TCP/IP's setting to 'via DHCP', setting DHCP addresses to start with 10.0.0.2 up to 200 with all else blank, and not using a standard host nor NAT-PMP in the NAT tab.
When I do this the Airport complains of a 'double NAT issue'. Internet connectivity seems to be OK, but when switching between the two networks on my Mac I get complaints about my IP address being in use by another device intermittently.
Can anyone help in how to get the 'double NAT issue' resolved?
Thanks!So if someone is connected to the modem/router network they will be able to see the HD I will have put in to the AirPort Extreme?
As I said above.....since the modem/router and AirPort are bridged, devices on the modem/router wireless will be able to "see" devices on the AirPort wireless, and vice versa.....
If they can see the HD connected to the AirPort Extreme, will they be able to access it
Yes, unless you plan to password protect the drive connected to the AirPort Extreme.
or will they still need the password needed to get onto the AirPort Extreme network?
The modem/router and AirPort Extreme are bridged. They are on the same network. All devices are on the same network when the modem/router and AirPort are bridged. Not sure how else that I can say this.
Also, because it is bridged, I shouldn't have any problems accessing the HD I will have connected to the AirPort Extreme from an external location?
Accessing devices from a remote location is never easy....and a topic for a different post/discussion. If you have a "static" Internet IP address from your provider, and have all the details on how to forward ports on your modem/router, you are off to a good start.
Apparently there is some addressing issues because devices can be seen as "Double IP" because the modem/router would have allocated IP's as well as the AirPort allocating IP's thus making connections slower until resolved
When you "bridge", all IP addresses are issued by one device. There will be no conflicts on the network, since they are bridged.
Once again, in very simple terms, you have two doors (access points) that open into the same room (network). One "door" is the modem/router and the other "door" is the AirPort Extreme. They are on the same network....("room") because they are bridged. -
Cascade AirPort Extreme to Netgear Router
I am trying to create two (2) separate networks within my home (Note: I do not want any communication between the networks), using two different routers; (1) an Airport Extreme (5th generation) and a Netgear Nighthawk (AC1900).
I would like to connect the Netgear directly to the modem and then connect the LAN port of the Netgear router to the WAN port of the AirPort (LAN-WAN connection). Since the routers have two different IP addressing systems, I assume I do not need to worry about static IP address or disabling the DHCP.
Unfortunately, when I set it up, I am unable to get a connection on the Airport. I tested the wired connection on the Netgear to assure there is a wired Internet connection and there is, but when I plug it into the Airport, I am unable to get the Airport to work. If I reverse the set-up and connect the Airport directly to the router and then make a LAN to WAN connection from the Airport to the Netgear, I can get both routers to work, but for security reasons, I would rather have the Netgear directly connected to the modem and have the Airport be after the Netgear. Any help in how to make this work or what I may be doing wrong would be greatly appreciate.
ThanksI am trying to create two (2) separate networks within my home (Note: I do not want any communication between the networks), using two different routers; (1) an Airport Extreme (5th generation) and a Netgear Nighthawk (AC1900).
I would like to connect the Netgear directly to the modem and then connect the LAN port of the Netgear router to the WAN port of the AirPort (LAN-WAN connection). Since the routers have two different IP addressing systems, I assume I do not need to worry about static IP address or disabling the DHCP.
Unfortunately, when I set it up, I am unable to get a connection on the Airport. I tested the wired connection on the Netgear to assure there is a wired Internet connection and there is, but when I plug it into the Airport, I am unable to get the Airport to work. If I reverse the set-up and connect the Airport directly to the router and then make a LAN to WAN connection from the Airport to the Netgear, I can get both routers to work, but for security reasons, I would rather have the Netgear directly connected to the modem and have the Airport be after the Netgear. Any help in how to make this work or what I may be doing wrong would be greatly appreciate.
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Internet connection via Airport Extreme/router thats not working, why?
I have been having problems with the internet connection via Airport Extreme which I find it a bit unusual and its still driving me nuts! This is what happened:
I have lost my internet connection last Sunday evening upon my return from a weekend away from home. The last time I have used the internet connection on my macbook was the previous Friday morning. Prior to the apparent disconnection on Sunday, I have always used my internet connection wirelessly through Airport Extreme (that is connected via ethernet cable to the NETGEAR DG834v2 ADSL modem which had worked beautifully until the problem arose on my return). This wireless internet connection allowed me to surf the internet anywhere in my home.
However, upon the successful re-connection to the internet via the modem router, I have discovered several new problems. I have tried to set up the internet connection wirelessly again but instead the following happened:
1. Router (Netgear) drops ADSL connection and cannot reconnect when connected to airport via Ethernet. (which is the case when using airport wireless).
2. Router connects to ADSL fine when computer is connected to it via Ethernet. (However, router disconnects when magsafe power adapter is taken out for some inexplicable reason!)
3. Router connects to ADSL fine when nothing is connected to the router (ie. No Ethernet connections)
4. Router connects to ADSL fine when connected to airport via Ethernet and computer is connected to airport via Ethernet.
So from the above, I cannot connect to the internet properly whether wirelessly or not so I suspect it could be faulty router or could it be airport extreme? I have asked my ISP for an explanation and all they have said is that it cannot be the mis-configuration but could be to do with the power adaptors or the way plugs are set up and suggested I take out all the power plugs (and power surge protector) out to switch everything off, the macbook, router, printer and airport extreme. However, when I have re-plugged them all back in, the problems I have described above still persists!
Would appreciate any help if anyone here recognises why this is the case and what seems to be the cause of this. If so, what should I do? Though I have written back to my ISP again yesterday for more help so im waiting to hear from them...
Thanks
u2dougalI have been having problems with the internet connection via Airport Extreme which I find it a bit unusual and its still driving me nuts! This is what happened:
I have lost my internet connection last Sunday evening upon my return from a weekend away from home. The last time I have used the internet connection on my macbook was the previous Friday morning. Prior to the apparent disconnection on Sunday, I have always used my internet connection wirelessly through Airport Extreme (that is connected via ethernet cable to the NETGEAR DG834v2 ADSL modem which had worked beautifully until the problem arose on my return). This wireless internet connection allowed me to surf the internet anywhere in my home.
However, upon the successful re-connection to the internet via the modem router, I have discovered several new problems. I have tried to set up the internet connection wirelessly again but instead the following happened:
1. Router (Netgear) drops ADSL connection and cannot reconnect when connected to airport via Ethernet. (which is the case when using airport wireless).
2. Router connects to ADSL fine when computer is connected to it via Ethernet. (However, router disconnects when magsafe power adapter is taken out for some inexplicable reason!)
3. Router connects to ADSL fine when nothing is connected to the router (ie. No Ethernet connections)
4. Router connects to ADSL fine when connected to airport via Ethernet and computer is connected to airport via Ethernet.
So from the above, I cannot connect to the internet properly whether wirelessly or not so I suspect it could be faulty router or could it be airport extreme? I have asked my ISP for an explanation and all they have said is that it cannot be the mis-configuration but could be to do with the power adaptors or the way plugs are set up and suggested I take out all the power plugs (and power surge protector) out to switch everything off, the macbook, router, printer and airport extreme. However, when I have re-plugged them all back in, the problems I have described above still persists!
Would appreciate any help if anyone here recognises why this is the case and what seems to be the cause of this. If so, what should I do? Though I have written back to my ISP again yesterday for more help so im waiting to hear from them...
Thanks
u2dougal -
How to connect a ADSL router to AirPort Extreme?
Hallo,
my local internet service provider forces all costumers to use their modem/router to connect to the Internet using a DSL connection.
I have one external public IP (v4) and the router has an editable IP for the LAN set to 192.168.1.1 .
The ISP router can act as DHCP server and NAT; I can disable the DHCP.
What I would like to do is connect it to the Airport Extreme WAN port and give all the control to the Airport extreme: I want to use his DHCP server, NAT, port forwarding etc.
My problem is that I am able to have Internet connection only if the ISP router has DHCP control and Airport Extreme is set to Bridge mode.
In this configuration, in the Airport Internet configuration panel, the connection is set to Ethernet, IPv4 is using DHCP, Airport IP is 192.168.1.133 and the ISP router has 192.168.1.1 . I also have the DNS IPs set to the ones suggested by the ISP and Bridge mode.
In this way it works: all computers can share Internet connection.
What I am trying to do is:
- disable DHCP in the ISP router;
- in the Airport extreme Internet panel I choose to manually setup IPv4 and I type the same vales it is getting when set to DHCP mode: 192.168.1.133 for the Base and 192.168.1.1 for the router using the ISP dns and I select Share pubblic IP. In the DHCP panel I choose 10.0.1 class.
I save changes and... I got that Internet is no working anymore and I cannot access the ISP router control panel.
Does anybody have suggestion about things to try to not use ISP router DHCP or configuration changes I could try?
Thanks in advance for any help about it!Thanks for the reply,
at the end it seems that my airport extreme works too BUT with an error message saying "double NAT" and the front led turned to yellow. I have ignored such error because things seems to work and so the led color goes to green.
What I had to do here is:
- set previous router to IP 192.168.1.1
- turn off DHCP on my previous router;
- leave on the NAPT (NAT) service on previous router and set it with start and stop address to the same IP I am using for the Airport Extreme (192.168.1.100);
- open all ports and services on previous router by faking the mac address of the Computer's NIC I was using to configure router. I say faking because previous router wants to know for which computer the ports have to be open, so I had to use the same mac address of the Airport extreme. I cannot type it, previous router will get it automatically when configuring it.
- on the Airport Extreme, Internet side, I had to manually configure Internet options using Ethernet mode: I set the IP 192.168.1.100 for the Airport base. Then I have enabled DHCP on class 10.0.1.x .
Airport extreme seems to work with all features now, I hope that "double NAT" warning will not create any trouble. Anybody knows about that? -
How can I use an AirPort Extreme to expand a normal Wi-Fi router range?
I used to use my AirPort Extreme as my router, connecting it to an old modem I had. Recently, I had some problems with that modem and had it changed. Now, the new one is also a router, so I decided to use it instead of the AirPort Extreme. However, I don't want to let such an expensive router not doing anything, so I decided I would use it to expand the range of my new router/modem. Is it possible to expand the range of a non-Airport Extreme/Express router, like mine? I tried configuring it to "Expand a network", and it was even in "Bridge Mode", but even with those configurations, it's yellow light kept blinking and AirPort Utility said that it the AirPort Extreme wasn't being able expand the network, and told me to check if the normal router was on and if AirPort Extreme was within its range, and the answer is an obvious yes for both (I can assure you it's within range). Am I doing something wrong, or is it simply not possible?
Is it possible to expand the range of a non-Airport Extreme/Express router, like mine?
Yes, if you connect the AirPort Extreme to one of the LAN <-> ports on the modem/router using a wired Ethernet connection.
Extremely unlikely if you are asking about having the AirPort Extreme connect wirelessly to the modem/router and extend or repeat the signal in that manner.
The reason for this is that Apple designs their routers to only the extend the signal from another Apple router wirelessly. -
How do I connect a PC via ethernet to my new Airport Extreme router?
I just replaced an old Actiontec router with a new Apple Airport Extreme router to work with my Verizon FIOS service. Connection to all Apple products via ethernet or wireless works OK, however I cannot get the PC up and running via its ethernet connection to the Airport Extreme. Any help would be much appreciated.
If your other devices are working then it is probably the PC's IP configuration.
First, make sure that the PC is actually connected to the Extreme by verifying the lights are on at the Ethernet ports on the PC and the Extreme.
If you are using DHCP to manage the IP addresses then make sure that the PC is configured to "Obtain IP Address Automatically" for both IP versions 4 and 6.
When I replaced my Linksys w/ an Extreme I forgot that I had a couple devices configured with static (manual) IPs. My old one used the "192.168.1.nn" and my Extreme defaulted to "10.0.1.nn". Once i converted all the static IPs to the correct subnet then all was good. -
Airport Extreme off a Router which provides DNS - Guest Networks
I am sure that I am not alone here.
I have a BTBroadband wireless ADSLModem/Router which provides DNS for the network.
Off tyhe router is a Netgear switch which has connected to it an Airport Extreme. Also off this switch I have many other peripherals - such as Time Capsule, iMac etc.
So the arrangement is simple in logical terms:
BT Modem------->Wireless Router (which allocates DNS)---------->Switch----------->Airport Extreme etc.
IP Settings as follows
192.168.0.1 for Wireless Router - which allocates DNS in range 192.168.0.2 to 0.150.
I have allocated a fixed IP on the Airport Extreme of 192.168.0.151
The devices thart run off this are all having DNS allocated by the router - not the Airport Extreme.
So - how do I set up (or can I set up) the Guest Wireless Network?
Let's assume Router Wireless Network is call MainWireless with a Password MainWord, The Airport Extreme is acting in Bridge Mode and has the exact same 'Create a wireless network' called MainWIreless and Password MainWord (as per best practices in using these to provide the best 'network hopping' capabilities for devices (I actually have 2 other wireless devices from TimeCapsules that operate the wireless in the same way).
All of this works fine.
However when I set up the Guest Network on the Airport Extreme - simply by enabling it - I provide a new Guest Network name of GuestWireless with a password GuetsPassword. In theory it should all work fine, however the devices connecting to the Guest Network cannot get to the internet (effectively I don't think that the 'iPhone for example' is being allocated a correct IP Address - in fact I know that it isn't as its a 169 range and a different subnet).
So - the only way I can think of doing this is to go into the Network Settings on the Airport Extreme, Change Bridge Mode Wireless to DHCP and NAT and then go into Network Options. Here I am a bit lost and need help.
To summarise - Main Router Address 192.168.0.1 allocates range 192.168.0.2 to 150, Airport Extreme Address (static) address 192.168.0.151.
Airport Extreme DHCP and NAT Network Options has:
IPv4 DHCP Range - I have set to 192.168.0.152 to 255
Guest IPv4 DHCP Range 10.0.0 152 to 255
NAT Port Mapping Protocol is switched Off
- This won't even save.
Should be simple I would have thought. Think again...
Please help - mwhat should I / can I do to enable a guest wireless network?Thanks for all that - I suspected as much (and I did mean DHCP not DNS).
So - if I disable DHCP on the HomeHub3 IP 192.168.0.1, and set the Airport Extreme IP Address at 192.168.0.2, what do I do with DHCP and NAT settings to have a Main and Guest Wireless Network?
I can easily change the order of things if necessary to be :
BT Modem (192.168.0.1 with DHCP disabled)--->Airport Extreme (192.168.0.2 (set to get DNS from 192.168.0.1) )--->Switch---->Various wired and wireless devices. -
Can I Add a Second Wireless Router to my Airport Extreme?
I have an Airport Extreme 802.11n, (the square one).
I just bought a new wireless Epson All-in-One, the Artisan 700.
Even though this is a brand new model, Epson foolishly built it as 802.11g, and not 802.11n. Who knows what they were thinking. 802.11n has been around long enough for them to have incorporated it into their newest models... Oh, well.
Anyway, I understand that any 802.11g element on my 802.11n network will slow everything down to 802.11g speed. I obviously do not want that to happen, but I do not want to lose the convenience of wireless printing and scanning.
So here is what I want to do, and I'd like to know if it will work.
Can I buy a cheap 802.11g wireless router, and plug it into one of the three <---> ethernet outputs on my Airport Extreme, and have a second wireless network, providing both internet and wireless printing/scanning at 802.11g, while preserving the speed of the Airports 802.11n? The idea would be to stay connected to the Airports 802.11n network except when printing, then switch to the 802.11g network.
Alternatively, I imagine if that will not work, I could just set up a cheap 802.11g wireless router, not connected to the Airport Extreme, or the internet, but solely there to provide me with wireless printing.
Any help, or other ideas is greatly appreciated!Can I buy a cheap 802.11g wireless router, and plug it into one of the three <---> ethernet outputs on my Airport Extreme, and have a second wireless network, providing both internet and wireless printing/scanning at 802.11g, while preserving the speed of the Airports 802.11n?
Yes, this is known as a "dual band" network.
Setting up a "dual band" network is described in the Designing AirPort Networks document, starting on page 48.
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