ATP check based on production finish date

Hi all,
customer order goods for the 02.06.09.
Transportation take 10 days so, by itinerary , I'll have the material avaiability date for the 15.05.2009.
All' it's OK.
Mrp planner , based on customer calendar, insert demand for customer date 02.06.09
We have insert 10 days on material master as Goods receipt processing time, this for anticipate the end of production 10 days before .
Now we need that atp check production order date not including the Good receipt processing time
Is it possible ?
Regards
Sil
When I do atp check by sales order , ato check see the 02.06.09 as avaiability date and not the desidered 15.05.09
Any idea about haw to realised atp check on

Hi,
This requirement can not be fulfilled by Standard SAP. But you can address this issue via Z development.
You need to maintain Z table with Customer and lead time. Write a BDC and run this BDC once sales order is created. So that system will change requirement date as per the Z table.
I hope this will resolve your issue.
Regards,
Shailendra

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