Automatic transcode settings can't close DVD image in standard 4,7gb size

So I have this feature film of a marriage 1h30m long that Encore refuses to generate an ISO of standard DVD size. The point is, for some reason this project in particular is generating a 6gb image, in the settings that even 2h10m fits standard DVD size. What am I doing wrong? What to do now?
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On an automatic transcode, Encore uses what you have already transcoded in the project plus menus, motion menus, etc, and uses settings to fit the rest on the disk. If you transcode some assets early, then others later, Encore will transcode the first ones at higher bitrates and not be able to go low enough to get the others to fit.
I have not tested whether this will actually result in too big for the disk, but I suspect it might.
You could look at the transcoded files in the Encore folders and check them with mediainfo or gspot for bitrate to see if they vary.

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DVD9 = 68,000 Megabits.
Ideally, we subtract an overhead of 4% to allow for variables.
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DVD9 = 65,000.
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110 minutes = 6,600 seconds.
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