Avid/FCP Capture Difference

Could someone familiar with Avid enlighten me as to what MC does or doesn't do when capturing that FCP does/doesn't do? Because I've captured the same footage twice, once in each app, and I get what appears to be a drastic gamma shift (see linked image). I'm capturing from an HDV tape to MXF 145 in MC, and native HDV in FCP. I'm running MC 3.1 and FCP6.0.4.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21911802@N08/3298822734/
Thanks,
Zak

Perhaps I should just explain my goals here and you (or someone) can advise me as to the best method of attack. Here goes...
I'm from an FCP background. I shoot all of my material in HDV 1080i60. I capture native HDV, cut everything in FCP in an HDV sequence (with the render codec set to ProRes), and grade it with the 3-Way CC (but am looking to foray soon into Color). I then export the finished sequence to a ProRes file, bring it back into a new ProRes timeline, and apply Graeme Nattress' "Film Effects" filter, giving the footage a 24p look while maintaing the 29.97 framerate. But since my destination is the web, I don't need that 29.97 framerate, and so I export that sequence and bring it into Cinema Tools to remove the 3:2 pulldown, conforming the final video to a lovely 1920x1080, progressive, 23.98 fps, ProRes422 QuickTime video.
BUT.
I am now looking to learn Avid. I'd love to cut my projects in MC as I follow online tutorials and read manuals, but I still need to have that finished 1920x1080, progressive, 23.98 fps QuickTime product. And since a) I'm looking to learn Color, and b) there are too many FCP plugins I use for grading/titles/effects, I need to eventually get back to FCP for finishing. So, short of buying Automatic Duck or MXF4QT... what are my options?
P.S. Yes, I listened to the latest Post Show regarding over-reliance on plugins. I have nothing to offer in my defense.

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