Batch Derivation Logic

Dear Experts,
I have one issue in Batch derivation Logic: For Batch derivation we have to create Strategy Type & Condition Type suppose if i create 2 condition types for sending Material like 1) Plant specific means In condion Table We have to give Sender Material Type & Plant & 2) Client Specific means in Condition Table we have to give only Sender Material Type then which condition type system will take while Batch Derivation.
Regards,
Shivkumar Dachawar

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Batch derivation in goods receipt for production order

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i have set up batch derivation for the event 'goods receipt for production order'. The field derived is HSDAT (date of manufacture) /minimum. Although in the batch derivation monitor I can see tha the derivation was performed OK and the correct date (oldest of the components) is selected the field in the Batch is not updated. Can anyone help??

Hi Vagia,
Your problem sounds like derivation type issue.
Please check your derivation type to be static for the 400 event.
Let us know if this helped.
Regards.
St.Pan.

Batch Derivation - No sender found during manual derivation & order release

Folks,
I'm trying to simulate the batch derivation functionality but couldn't get it work. I have used both manual and release production order derivation events.
Necessary configuration is setup including batch where used list and related derivation configuration.
I have setup the condition records as follows (it is based on pull derivation; 1 receiver and n sender)
For sender condition, I have condition record based on receiving + sending material combination, in which I defined two sending materials (both HALB) along with the receiving material (FERT). VFDAT (SLED) is my field attribute.
For recipient condition, I have condition record based on material number, which is the same FERT material. VFDAT (SLED) is my field attribute and standard rules have been maintained.
Both HALB materials have batches with VFDAT (SLED) dates.
For manual derivation, I created a batch for the FERT without any VFDAT data in it and I'm trying to run DVMAN transaction for this FERT batch to invoke derivation, but it errors with two messages "No sender found for attribute VFDAT" & "The system did not find any sending batches".
I tried using a production order release as well, but it's the same problem.
Any thoughts as to why it is not working??
Thanks!!

Figured it out. I forgot to assign batches before invoking batch derivation.

Batch Derivation - No sender found during both Manual deriv & Order release

Folks,
I'm trying to simulate the batch derivation functionality but couldn't get it work. I have used both manual and release production order derivation events.
Necessary configuration is setup including batch where used list and related derivation configuration.
I have setup the condition records as follows (it is based on pull derivation; 1 receiver and n sender)
For sender condition, I have condition record based on receiving + sending material combination, in which I defined two sending materials (both HALB) along with the receiving material (FERT). VFDAT (SLED) is my field attribute.
For recipient condition, I have condition record based on material number, which is the same FERT material. VFDAT (SLED) is my field attribute and standard rules have been maintained.
Both HALB materials have batches with VFDAT (SLED) dates.
For manual derivation, I created a batch for the FERT without any VFDAT data in it and I'm trying to run DVMAN transaction for this FERT batch to invoke derivation, but it errors with two messages "No sender found for attribute VFDAT" & "The system did not find any sending batches".
I tried using a production order release as well, but it's the same problem.
Any thoughts as to why it is not working??
Thanks!!

Figured it out. I forgot to assign batches before invoking batch derivation.

In consistency during Batch Derivation in Process Order

Hi,
During Batch Derivation in process order, multiple old batches of sender material proposing even though actually only single Batch of sender material determined, and transferring the characteristic values from old batches to the Receiver material which is in-correct. (I am working with SAP ECC 6.0)
Can any one advise if required to execute/run any program to correct the system in-consistency,
regards,
Purna

Dear Pruna,
please check if the correct level of WUL is defined in derivation rules
Mostly the problem is caused by default value 99 here. You can check and
change the value in transaction DVR2.
BR Sabine

Changes to Derived Logical Column not reflected in Answers

Before I go off my rocker and stab myself with my IPhone lightsabre... :-)
I created a new logical column for an existing table in my BM, deriving from an existing column (a datetime field called ESTIMATEDCLOSE) as follows:
MONTHNAME(Sales.OPPORTUNITY.ESTIMATEDCLOSE) || ' - ' || CAST(Year(Sales.OPPORTUNITY.ESTIMATEDCLOSE) AS CHAR(4))
...which should give me something like "Jan - 2008". The problem is that it returned something like "2008/01/31 00:00:00" in Answers - completely unexpected.
I decided to start out small and try something simpler, changing my derived column to be only Sales.OPPORTUNITY.ESTIMATEDCLOSE. This returned "2008/01/31 00:00:00" in Answers - sort of expected.
Then I changed it to MONTHNAME(Sales.OPPORTUNITY.ESTIMATEDCLOSE). This also returned "2008/01/31 00:00:00" in Answer!!!
It almost seems as if a derived logical column is cached in some weird way and changes to the formula is not reflecting in answers. Thinking that something so simple must work and I made a simple mistake somewhere I have spend a good part of the past day playing around with this and trying every possible solution I can think of - no luck. The odd thing is that I would rename my logical column and this will be reflected in Answers, but changes to the derived expression is not reflected.
- I deleted the column and started all over - no luck
- tried creating derived columns using different datetime expressions or even just concatenating strings to each other - no luck.
- Restarted all the Oracle services, thinking it's a cach'ing issue - no luck.
- I rebooted the server - no luck.
Once, when I started out with only MONTHNAME(Sales.OPPORTUNITY.ESTIMATEDCLOSE) I got back correct values in Answers (Jan, Feb, Mar..) and I thought the problem was finally gone. So I added || ' - ' || CAST(Year(Sales.OPPORTUNITY.ESTIMATEDCLOSE) AS CHAR(4)) to the derived formula. Guess what, Answers kept on giving me back only the Month names, completely ignoring my updated formula.
Anybody else ran into this problem? Something so simple should surely work...

John,
Yes, cleared the cache (from Dashboard Administration) and also used nqcmd Call SAPurgeAllCache. Restarted BI Server. Still no luck.
I tried your formula and then only got back "2008/01/31" (just the date without the timestamp) - very strange.
Then I noticed the following amazing thing (by accident):
I started with a request in Answers that does not contain my derived column and then add my derived column to the report. The text would be all wrong in this column (Jan, Feb, March). Then I add the same column again to the report and the second added column will magically show the correct strings (Jan - 2008) !!! Even stranger is that the moment I added the same column again to the report, the text on the first column would also magically jump to the correct values (Jan - 2008).
I did a bit more testing and created a blank request and added my derived column as the only column - this time it will show the correct values immediately. It does seem like it's tied to the content already in the request. I went a step further and saved my buggy request and added it to a Dashboard - it worked perfectly in the Dashboard.
Must be something buggy here in Answers when working with derived columns. I'm on 10.1.3.4...

Mfg. Date in Batch Derivation

Hi Friends,I have configured Batch derivation. I have maintained condition records for sender and reciever material types. When I am issuing material having different batches for sender materials, Sytem is taking first lineitems mfg date in that line item's batch. But we want the mfg date from batch having highest qty. Can any body suggest, what I have to do?
Regards
Edited by: k prasanna on Jul 17, 2010 7:17 AM

Hi
In Tcode DVR3 against the characteristic, select Rules Tab and maintain Maximum value under Rules for Value selection
for more than one sender.
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Devi

DIfference b/w expression builder logical column and derived logical column

Hi Experts,
Can anyone tellme the difference between expression builder (when we double click the logical column) of derived logical column and expression builder of logical column( we see this in column mapping of LTS) ??
Thanks in advance.

Hi,
Formula given in the "expression builder of logical column( we see this in column mapping of LTS)" is performed on the physical layer of the RPD. I guess it is calculated in the Physical Query which is good for performance.
Formula in the expression builder of derived column is calculated in the BMM layer i.e in the logical query.
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Batch Derivation in 4.6C

Dear Gurus,
Please guide if any one has implemented the functionality of Batch Derivation in 4.6c version.
SAP provides this as a hidden fuctinality for this version.
I have referred the related notes regarding it but would like to know more about how to proceed.
Thanks in advance
Sushant

Dear,
Please note that in 4.6C this functionality is not activated. But we can do it by defining custom progam.
What do you mean by "hidden function"

Batch Derivation

Hi Gurus,
We are having ECC 4.6C and we wanted to implement the batch derivation functionality. Presently I am facing one problem, it is that, as per sap, batch derivation takes place while doing the goods reciept for the process order, making the usage decision for a batch or by manually (Manual derivation).
I made the following master data,
1) Derivation sender record
2) Derivation reciever record.
But the derivation is not happening at the time of goods reciept or at the time of usage decision but it happens if i did the manual derivation.
For your information in 4.6c , batch derivation functionality is in the hidden form i.e. there is no menu emtry for it.
If I want derivation to happen at the time of goods reciept then what I need to do.
Please suggest.
Regards
Ravi

You may not have the config settings set for this.
Logistics-General ---> Batch Management -->Derivation of Batch Data --> Define Derivation Events.
In the table, make sure you have an entry for 400 - Goods receipt for process/production order. Make sure the right search procedures are specified.
The above is from 6.0. Hopefully your 4.6 config is similar.
Craig

Batch Derivation not happening consistently

Dear Experts,
Pls guide me to identify and resolve the following problem:
I have configured the batch derivation and maintained the necessary condition records.
The derivation event is defined as the GR for Production order.
The problem is, for certain orders the derivation is not working and giving the error as (in T Code DVMO):
- Warning Rule "No empty sender fields" broken for attribute XXXX.
inspite of the fact that field (XXXX) in the RM batch being already filled, still data is not getting transferred to the produced batch.
However, the derivation is working for other production orders (around 60%).
Where I could have missed the point.
Kindly help me out.
Thanks & Regards,
Rohit Chauhan.
Added: Can there be any thing at material master level which can cause this problem, because the material is either deriving the data or failing. Both cases are not existing for any single material.
Edited by: Rohit Chauhan on Sep 9, 2009 10:05 AM

Did you build your batch where used list up? Is it being update in real-time or or a regular basis via a batch job?
Look at the dates and times of the orders that fail. You may find they are older ones, or newer ones depending on when you built the batch where used list and how or when it is being updated.
The other possibility is that the orders that are failing are not being properly processed. Look at the batch where used list and see if you can trace the order information back to the batch that the results should be coming from. If you can't see the batch in the history of the order on the batch where used list then the system can't derive the results.
There is also setting in teh derivation record as to how many generations to go back I believe. You may need to go further back in some cases then what you might have it set at.
Craig

Batch derivation for recursive bom

hello,
anybody please help me. when iam doing batch derivation for recursive BOM its not working. my recipent batch no is alo coming in sender batch no. its doing deling between sender batch no and recipent batch no. how can i solve this issue.
thanks and regards
bhakta.

Hi Bhakta,
Bigger problem in your case is not multiple Batches of RM but more then one Batch No. of Header Material in single production Order.I guess in your case Batch No. are triggered at the time of GR and not in Production Order at the time of Release.Correct?
But up to my knowledge Batch Derivation is triggered at the time of Batch Creation in Production order.For which you have to first carried out Batch Derivation of sender Material.But in your cases the scenario is totally different due to Batch is created at the time of GR.So Difficult one and can be possible if you go with 1 Batch for 1 prod. order.
Regards,
Dhaval

Batch derivation in subcontracting process

Hello experts
I ask for your help on the following point:
I subcontract packaging operation of a product managed by batch to an external vendor.
The bulk (component) I send to the vendor is also managed by batch.
I use batch derivation for transferring batch data from the bulk batch to the packed product batch.
I manage to do it with the manual batch derivation.
However I would like to create a derivation event to make automatic this process.
Is it possible to create new derivation event and associate it to "Good receipt for purchase order" event ? to the movement 101 or 543 ?
Thanks for your help
Best regards
Amaury

Batch derivation consists in transferring values of class characteristics of a sender batch to receiver batch.
This copy of results may be triggered automatically by the system during a manufacturing flow (event = good receipt on process/production order).
However I am looking forward to know if it is possible to do so at good receipt on subcontracting order ?
Thanks for your help

Batch Derivation configuration

Hi ALL
My client is asking me to configure batch derivation in the system.Can any body explain about the Batch derivation process and how to configure batch derivation like steps to achieve the batch derivation.
Thanks in advance
Best Regards
Katta

Please check these answered links:
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Edited by: Afshad Irani on Apr 30, 2010 11:27 AM

Batch derivation - Functionality.

I have issue with the batch derivation functionality.
I would like to copy specific characteristics from sending batch (component) to receiving batch (header material)
Can anybody provide me the guideline configuration steps, and master data requirement for batch derivation functionality.
Cheers!
Suneel
Edited by: SUNEEL SHAIK on Dec 20, 2010 10:18 PM

Configuration requirements
1.         Batch derivation functionality need to be active
2.         Derivation required option: Automatic for production order release, and manual derivation in case of change
Master data requirements:
1.         Recipient / sender condition records
2.         Characteristics maintenance of sender and receiving material
3.         Class assignment to finished product
Activate Batch Derivation
1.         Define batch derivation, Activation of batch derivation (Transaction: DVSP)
2.         Define derivation events
3.         Create batch derivation for Release process / production order Manual derivation (Optional)
4.         Maintain number range for derivation number (Transaction: DVC1)
Number ranges has to be configured manually in each client
Master data setup
1.         Maintain the classification of receiving material and sending material
2.         Ensure that the copying characteristic/s exists in both the classes of sending material and receiving class
3.         Maintain the master data for the following
a.         Recipient / sender condition records (DVR1/DVS1)
b.         characteristics maintenance of sender and receiving material
c.         class assignment to finished product
Transaction:
1.         Production order release (CO01)
2.         DVMAN u2013 Manual derivation

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