Bean containing both UI components and business logic

Hello ADF design experts, please guide me.   I came across a critical design aspects. I have main page having bunch of UI components,   Region 1, Region 2. I will have to bind the UI components of the page to a managed bean having session scope and the reason is, when control goes to region 1 or region 2, I will be doing lot of processing of business logic and then based on this, I will have to update the UI components of the page.   Same thing with region 2 also. And then, I should be able to access the information    across regions and also across other UI components etc.
I am seeing only session scoped bean will be able to help me here to get my tasks done across regions and across all other UI components of the page because I am not in a position to pass too many parameters across regions.     Now the problem is, I can not serialize this bean because as I mentioned lot of UI components are updated based on logic.
If I do not serialize the bean, I may have problem in future when application has to be deployed to cluster envt.
I do not know how should I go with my design now.   Please provide me brilliant ideas and very thankful to your guidance.
thanks

Hi ADF,
I dont want to disturb the discussion with you and Alej. I'm rising some question from your first post.
I have main page having bunch of UI components,
ok fine.
Region 1, Region 2. I will have to bind the UI components of the page to a managed bean having session scope
1.why need to do this binding for all ui components .?
2.this question lead ask another question are you using ADFBc.? if so binding layer will take care why you bind all those things.
3.why you need to put session scope.?
if you are using region. the region can only be bounded TF right, then communicate with help of pageflow. inside the bounded you may have jsff/jspx,
reason is, when control goes to region 1 or region 2, I will be doing lot of processing of business logic and then based on this, I will have to update the UI components of the page. Same thing with region 2 also.
from the reason i have question? why you need to communicate between two region instead of using Taskflow communication.
And then, I should be able to access the information across regions and also across other UI components etc.
ok fine.
I am seeing only session scoped bean will be able to help me here to get my tasks done across regions and across all other UI components of the page because I am not in a position to pass too many parameters across regions. Now the problem is, I can not serialize this bean because as I mentioned lot of UI components are updated based on logic.
from my point of view. your are using all powerful feature session bean, region communication to do your requirement.
mixing all those things so only you can't able to get consistent results.
I do not know how should I go with my design now.
could you please explain your usecase.
Please provide me brilliant ideas and very thankful to your guidance.
yeah sure. people will do.
thanks

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only, do entity beans use that permissions when calling their methods
from sessions beans OR should i define the security policy for entity
beans separately?If you want to set the permission on individual
methods of entity bean ( with different roles)
you have to do it separately.
If you want to delegate the Authenticated user along with
the method call to the Entity Bean you can use
run-as-identity-principal.
For more detail please check out the EJB2.0 Spec.
-utpal

Understanding and using Logical Components for Managed System configuration

Experts.....
I am embarking on a fresh installation of SolMan 7 EhP1 SPS25 and after a few bugs along the way, I am finally nearing the end of including the first Managed System. Somewhat related to {forum:id=10293771] I am hoping I can get some advice, but specifically with regards to Logical Components.
General question - I have a slide from SAP that shows a picture from Product->System->Instance->Logical System (client)->Logical Component. I am confused because it shows that Client 100 of a given ABAP system could be assigned to Logical Component A, whereas Client 200 of the same system could be assigned to Logical Component B. This seems wrong to me?
I am at the last step of the managed systems configuration wizard : "create logical components" and only want to ensure that I set things up to hopefully ensure that later usages (Maintenance Optimizer, etc) will handle things correctly!!!
- Our SAP landscape is not very complex
1. only ERP and EP (Dev/Test/Prod).
2. We are utilizing HR Self Service (XSS).
3. The ERP ABAP systems are on Netweaver 7.01.
4. EhP4 has been installed, however we only activated the HCM business functions. Therefore SAP_HR is on 604 whereas SAP_APPL is on 600. I think this might be driving some of the confusion in SMSY
For the DEV ABAP system I am trying to configure:
1. The system is showing up in two products : "SAP ERP" and "SAP ERP Enhancement Package" with the header data for both showing "EHP4 FOR SAP ERP 6.0 / NW7.01" and "SAP ERP 6.0"
2. Under "SAP ERP" the "product instance selection" shows only "SAP NW - Adobe Docu. Service" and "SAP ECC Server" as relevant
3. Under ""SAP ERP Enhancement Package" the "product instance selection" shows only "Human Capital Mgmt" as relevant by default. I manually flagged the development portal system as "relevant" for "SAP XSS (Self Services)"
4. The RCA DBA Cockpit system is complaining "No data available for extractor activation. Please check product mapping and Software Components in SMSY"
5. In the Managed System wizard, there is no logical component for any of the "EHP4 FOR SAP ERP 6.0 / NW7.01" selections
From what I can tell, I think this is correct:
1. Create a Z_EHP4 logical component and assign the DEV/QAS/PRD systems to them
2. Also assign the DEV/QAS/PRD to the existing SAP logical component "SAP ERP ECC SERVER"???
3. For the Solutions, my plan is to create
a. Non-Production ERP : with the dev/test erp/ep systems, but test system as the leading system
b. Production ERP with the prod erp/ep systems only
Thanks for any advice/guidance to help me avoid future problems!!
Edited by: Eric Poellinger on Jun 15, 2011 6:32 PM

General question - I have a slide from SAP that shows a picture from Product->System->Instance->Logical System (client)->Logical Component. I am confused because it shows that Client 100 of a given ABAP system could be assigned to Logical Component A, whereas Client 200 of the same system could be assigned to Logical Component B. This seems wrong to me?
Client 100 could be assigned to any number of logical components, client 200 could be assigned to those same ones or none of them. A logical component is just a grouping of systems used to accomplish some task in SolMan.
For example with ChaRM you could have 2 logical components.
ZCHARM_DEV development (100) -> QA (200) -> prod (300)
ZCHARM_SEC security (900) -> QA (200) -> prod(300)
One is used to show the path for moving development changes to prod, the other for security changes. 200 belongs to both, but 100 only to one.
Set them up in whatever way meets you needs. It looks like for you, you could just use the default one and assign your clients to the various system roles. Not all functionality in SolMan uses the logical components though.

Difference between data logic operation and business operation

hiii, DI core, main component of DI API, performs all data logic operaton where as OBServer.dll perform bussiness logic operation at database level...
what is the difference between these operations????

Hi Nirdesh,
The DI API offers a number of objects/methods that allow you to access the information stored in the database (tables) by using objects.
The DI API is represented by the SboBobCOM.dll, in your code you only add a reference to this COM dll. This dll offerst the objects/methods you can access.
The SbobobCOM.dll is using the OBServer.dll, this dll contains all the business logic rules (like for example: you cannot delete a BusinessPartern if it has already some documents created) that will control all actions you are trying to do with the DI API methods/objects.
You have a schema representing both dlls in the DI API help file -> Introduction -> DI API components section.
Regards
Trinidad.

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