Best way to archive a bunch of DV / Digital Hi8 tapes?

I have a bunch of MiniDV / Digital Hi8 tapes (and the associated cameras) that I have not gotten around to cleaning up and put on DVD.
I am looking at a Flip MinoHD as a replacement for both. I live the quality / features of our Sony MiniDV but it's size and tape requirements result in it being left home most of the time.
So I am looking to get the video off the tapes and onto a HD or DVD for future use (and sell the cameras). Is there an easy way to take a DV tape and export to a MPEG4 / H.234 file etc. that I can drag and drop directly into iMovie '08 / iMovie HD6?

In short, no. The math will never change: the larger the file size the better the quality. In the case of H.264 or MP4 content, this is highly compressed and iMovie won't edit it in it's native form, it is converted to AIC which again has a file size much closer to that of DV material if not larger actually. Any flavor of MPEG compression (including the camera linked to) is throwing away frames. What you want to know is can you compress DV to MPEG and then Uncompress it later. Sure... but you will take a quality hit on the compression and again when uncompressed. As example, DV material is 30-frames per second, when compressed it to MPEG 2 it is now 2-frames per second with the encoder "remembering" the motion difference. When de-compressed again, the application will attempt to restore the 28 missing frames. Google MPEG 2 compression for more of an explanation.
It might help to think of it this way: you have a beautiful 16x20 wall print that you want to store for future use. If you store the 16x20 it's going to take up the appropriate space. To save on space, you could store a wallet size image. Then when you wanted the 16x20, you could scan the wallet and uprez it to 16x20. Won't be the same- but you saved some space. Again, the math doesn't change.
You can compress your DV movie to a DVD (MPEG2). And hopefully the quality is visually the same- but that is NOT archiving source material by any means.
Mike

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    I want to have the final version of Aperture available to me when that happens. I'm moving to LR, but I still want access to my Aperture library.
    Suggestions?
    Thanks
    DLS

    You first have to install it, then copy the installed version from the Applications folder to a backup drive.  Applications from the App Store are stand-alone versions. You can restore them by copying them back from a backup.  And if you upgraded to Aperture 3.6, the App Store should show it in your Purchases for downloading again, even if it will no longer be sold at the AppStore.
    But before you can back it up, you need to install the upgrade. The update is only available from the AppStore, not from the downloads page, and the App Store will only show you the update, if you have a compatible MacOS X version installed.   You can only update to Aperture 3.6 from a Mac that is running Aperture 3.6.
    Both Photos and iPhoto will be able to open your Aperture Library for browsing. But you would need iPhoto 9.6.1 and this update also requires a Mac running Yosemite.
    There's no way to archive the app to disk? What happens if someone has a hard drive failure after they pull it from the App Store? Are they just out of luck?
    I'm bot sure, if I understood your question correctly, DLS, but you an always restore Aperture from your Time Machine backup or bootable clone.
    Only, you cannot download a version of Aperture, if your installed MacOS X is not compatible with that version.   To be able to archive Aperture 3.6 now, you need first a compatible system.

  • Best way to archive projects for future use

    I use Adobe Premiere Pro CS4,but this is a more generic question.  I shoot videos that people want to save for a long time.  I burn my projects to DVD's (or Blue-ray discs if the client does not mind the cost).  DVD's can be destroyed, lost, wear out.  What is the best way to preserve these memories?  I know that some people charge the client and use a dedicated external hard drive for each project.  What technique is not too expensive, but will last the longest?
    Thanks,
    Lisa

    OK, I meant to tack this question with my last one, my client wants me to take her 1 hour video and compress it to a format that she can store/watch on her own hard drive.  What format would retain audio and video quality best, and not be enormous and still be able to run on a computer (ie not burned to a DVD or Blu-ray Disc)?
    Second part to this question:
    one of my projects is 5 years old - not done on a external hard drive - which means that I can no longer access the project for conversion purposes.  What choices do I have  if I only have a DVD disc to convert to a file that can play/be stroed on a computer?
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