BPC 7.0 NW Architecture

Hi All,
As we are in the process of installing BPC7.0 NW version for our client Can anyone please let us know which one of the following would be a viable option:
1. Install BPC NW as an add on on existing BI server or
2. Install BPC in a separate server.
What are the factors that need to be considered befor proposing the BPC architecture.
Can u also please let us know the pros and cons of each alternatives.
Your suggestions would be highly appreciated.

Hi,
Think I already answered similar one before. But in general both versions (standalone BPC or BPC on existing BW project system) works for BPC and it depends on customer, how he wants to maintain his TCO.
For easy installation, maintenance, no dependencies issues, short testing cycle its good to have a standalone BPC.
For BPC on existing NW system, after NW EHP1 installation (which is a BPC prerequisite) need to plan a test cycle for the BW projects before installing BPC. Need to have a good project and maintenance plan in combination with BW project, need to allocate resources accordingly etc...
regards
Sreedhar

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