BPMN/XPDL vs BPEL for Orchestration

I have an ISV customer who is evaluating BPMN/XPDL vs BPEL for service orchestration. They understand the basic use case for each (BPMN/XPDL for human workflow design and automation; BPEL for service orchestration and execution). Their question is: why can't they just BPMN/XPDL for both?
XPDL will allow for service orchestration, and, to a degree, compensation handling. Why shoulkd their customers have to maintain two standards?
Any comments?

The primary purpose of BPMN spec is meant to have a standard visual notation for business process diagram that can be understood by both business users and IT users. and in my view, the purpose of XPDL now is primarily used to be a standard serialization (interchange) format for exchanging BPMN models. BPMN does have all properties needed for generating executable BPEL. But BPMN is a visual graphic flow language and is more expressible than BPEL - not all BPMN flows can be expressed in BPEL and the mapping is non trivial. Having an XML execution language using BPMN seems too much and would cause serious problems in terms of portablity.
If you are interested in knowing more about BPMN-BPEL mapping, you can take a look at business process modeling info from http://www.eclarus.com. It contains good information on BPMN and BPMN-BPEL mapping.
Hong-Lee

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Sounds like you might have enabled "Agent extensions manage the deployment of applications and software updates" in Client Settings.
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What are the plug-ins you find work best for orchestra production (I use VSL), and do you tweak the standard settings on them to produce the most realistic sound?

Now lets go back to your question,
1) you have a good arrangement, that means the parts do complement well
2) you have good samples (VSL)
3) you play the parts on your keyboard - not mechanically, not quantized.
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Hi there,
I have the following question:
Is SQL Server Engine failover service spported for Orchestrator 2012 R2 databases?
Thanx in advance.
Regards,
Chris

Hi,
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I have been doing some preliminary research into BPA's abilities and have gone through most of the documenation available through Oracle's website. I have not found explicit answers to the following so I appreciatte any insight you can offer. I am looking to generate BPMN compliant business processes using an external tool. I want to then use BPA to possibly import these processes and then generate an executable process in BPEL. If the external tool produces pure BPMN compliant models will this be possible in BPA?
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Figured I might as well post this here since I haven't gotten a single reply in 3 days anywhere else :/
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MEMBER PROCEDURE add_orig_sys_header_ref(p_org_sys_header_ref          IN NUMBER),
       MEMBER PROCEDURE add_quote_cart_line(p_quote_cart_line                 IN NUMBER)
MEMBER PROCEDURE add_quote_cart_line(p_quote_cart_line                 IN NUMBER) IS
BEGIN
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END add_quote_cart_line;
END;
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<fault>
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<faultType>0</faultType>
-<bindingFault xmlns="http://schemas.oracle.com/bpel/extension">
-<part name="summary">
<summary>
Exception occured when binding was invoked.
Exception occured during invocation of JCA binding: "JCA Binding execute of Reference operation 'nie_import_2' failed due to: Interaction processing error.
Error while processing the execution of the APPS.NI_MODEL_IMPORT_UTIL.IMPORT_SELECTIONS API interaction.
An error occurred while processing the interaction for invoking the APPS.NI_MODEL_IMPORT_UTIL.IMPORT_SELECTIONS API. Cause: java.lang.NullPointerException
The invoked JCA adapter raised a resource exception.
Please examine the above error message carefully to determine a resolution.
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</part>
-<part name="detail">
<detail>null</detail>
</part>
-<part name="code">
<code>null</code>
</part>
</bindingFault>
</bpelFault>
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Figured I might as well post this here since I haven't gotten a single reply in 3 days anywhere else :/
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Async_Invoke_Import_Model.xsd (Source)
<element name="orig_sys_line_ref" type="integer" minOccurs="1" nillable="true"/>
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<element name="ORIG_SYS_LINE_REF" type="decimal" db:type="NUMBER" minOccurs="0" nillable="true"/>
         <element name="QUOTE_CART_LINE" type="decimal" db:type="NUMBER" minOccurs="0" nillable="true"/>
      </sequence>
.....Transform_NIE_Inputs.xsl (Transforming from Source to Target)
<ns1:orig_sys_line_ref>
          <xsl:value-of select="/ns1:Async_Invoke_Import_ModelProcessRequest/ns1:import_line/ns1:orig_sys_line_ref"/>
        </ns1:orig_sys_line_ref>
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So this BPEL calls a PL SQL procedure, binding the elements from the BPEL to a PL SQL type (ni_model_import_line). So I edited the PL SQL type to accept this new parameter:
orig_sys_header_ref       NUMBER,
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END;
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<fault>
-<bpelFault>
<faultType>0</faultType>
-<bindingFault xmlns="http://schemas.oracle.com/bpel/extension">
-<part name="summary">
<summary>
Exception occured when binding was invoked.
Exception occured during invocation of JCA binding: "JCA Binding execute of Reference operation 'nie_import_2' failed due to: Interaction processing error.
Error while processing the execution of the APPS.NI_MODEL_IMPORT_UTIL.IMPORT_SELECTIONS API interaction.
An error occurred while processing the interaction for invoking the APPS.NI_MODEL_IMPORT_UTIL.IMPORT_SELECTIONS API. Cause: java.lang.NullPointerException
The invoked JCA adapter raised a resource exception.
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</summary>
</part>
-<part name="detail">
<detail>null</detail>
</part>
-<part name="code">
<code>null</code>
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</bindingFault>
</bpelFault>
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Greetings,
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Hi,
Could help set the following...
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Expand SOA and right click on "soa-infra"
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Setting the global transaction timeout at Weblogic Domain Level:
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Log into Oracle Weblogic Administration Console.
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Log into Oracle Weblogic Administration Console.
Click Deployments.
Expand soa-infra -> EJBs.
Click on the configuration tab for the timeout setting for each of EJB’s listed below and the change the time out values as required.
Following EJBs need to be updated:
BPELActivityManagerBean
BPELDeliveryBean
BPELDispatcherBean
BPELEngineBean
BPELFinderBean
BPELInstanceManagerBean
BPELProcessManagerBean
BPELSensorValuesBean
BPELServerManagerBean
Click Save.
Restart Oracle Weblogic Server.
I hope you find it useful!
hugs!

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