Broadcasting in 802.11n (a compatible) AND 802.11b/g

I have a Time Capsule and an Airport Express and I'm wondering if I could do the following (but not sure if/how)...
1. Broadcast my cable broadband connection in 802.11n (a compatible) from the Time Capsule.
2. Extend the network using my Airport Express but in 802.11b/g.
I want to do this because my xBox works far better on n/a, but of course my iPhone doesn't work at all unless it's on b/g (which is quite annoying).
Is this possible? And if so, is there any issue about the respective devices differentiate between the n/a and b/g?s

This is the exact command that you need to use.
The throughput with the aggregation is a bit higher than that without aggregation.
HTH
Amjad
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I havea "wirelessly challenged" 2-story home and need to extend the range. Currently I have an 802.11n Main Base Station with an 802.11n Airport Express Remote. It's not getting the job done (upstairs connection is weak).
I am considering getting an 802.11ac Airport Time Capsule to help, even though I currently only have devices with 802.11n wireless connectivity (future-proof a little).
I an planning on setting up a Wireless Distribution System (WDS) Network:
1.) Setting up the Time Capsule as the Main Base Station connected to a Cable modem
2.) Reconfiguring and Setting up the current AirPort Extreme 802.11n as a Relay Base Station
3.) Reconfiguring and Setting up the current AirPort Express 802.11n as a Remote Station
I cannot "hard wire" one Base Statio to the other.
Will this work?

Will this work?
Unfortunately, no. WDS is a older, very inefficient way to extend the wireless network signal.
As such, newer operating systems like Lion, Mountain Lion and Mavericks do not even offer settings for this older WDS type of network.
In addition, the new Time Capsule has no capabilities to use WDS settings at all, even if you used a Mac with another operating system to try to set things up.
Even if it were possible to set up a WDS network, the speed on the network would be incredibly slow. As you know, WDS only operates at "g" wireless speed levels. Each "relay" or "remote" that you add to the network each cuts that bandwidth or speed in half.
With a WDS "main", "relay" and "remote", the network would be operating at about 14 Mbps......a tiny fraction of what the devices would be capable of providing normally.

I have a pc running windows 7. I got an Airport Extreme 802.11n Wi-Fi and the printer is now plugged into the Airport. The wireless router works fine but the printer shows as offline in control panel and in word. The printer is a HP LaserJet CP1525nw.

I have a pc running windows 7. I got an Airport Extreme 802.11n Wi-Fi and the printer is now plugged into the Airport. The Airport works fine but the printer shows as offline in control panel and in word. The printer is a HP LaserJet CP1525nw.

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This would be the correct setting if the AirPort Extreme is connected to a simple modem (one ethernet port).
*Settings I have Enabled*
5 GHz name indicates that you have elected to use the option to assign a separate name to the 5 GHz network. This will allow you to "tell" compatible computers to connect to that network, rather than the slower 2.4 GHz network
Use Wide Channels is recommended for 5 GHz operation.
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How to enable 802.11N extended network and WPA2 Personal Security?

Hello,
I have an aiport express 802.11N, using Radio Mode 802.11N (5Ghz only) and set to "allow this network to be extended". At the same time the wireless security is set to "WPA2 Personal" (and the key defined). This router is also hooked up to the internet as the main bridge.
On the other side, I have an airport extreme set exactly the same way from a security standpoint (WPA2 Personal) and for this one, the wireless is set to "extend a wireless network".
Both routers have their light green and my computer is wired to the airport extreme. The computer gets its IP address from the main dhcp server and I can FTP to any ftp site; I can ping any machines on my network;
Now the problem:I can not browse the internet nor ping any website. Http traffic is completely blocked.
If I reset the security to none on both routers, I can then access the internet without any problem.
Has anybody been succesful with this configuration and what am I doing wrong?

You need to download and install the AirPort Extreme 802.11n* Enabler for Mac. But it will cost you --- $1.99. Order it from the Apple Store:
802.11n Enabler
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802.11n AirPort Extreme and Express

Hello,
Thank you in advance for all your help and replies, I truly appreciate it.
I'm looking to purchase an 802.11n Airport Extreme and AirPort Express. I want to setup the Extreme next to my DSL modem and setup the Express in another room and have it extend the wireless network. The Express will also serve as an ethernet port from my DVR unit. I have read different posts that indicated that if I setup the Express to wirelessly connect to the Extreme, via WDS, or some other method, the wireless network will be downgraded to 802.11g. I currently have a 802.11g wireless network. I have one Buffalo Technology 802.11g wireless router and one Buffalo Technology 802.11g router (setup as an access point) and can do everything I need except connect a external HD via USB.
If at all possible, I would like the entire network (Extreme and Express) to use the same SSID and password. Have the Extreme perform the MAC filtering, provide DHCP address, and service a guest network.
So, do I understand what I have read correctly, that connecting an 802.11n Extreme and 802.11n Express via wireless (WDS, or other method) will downgrade the network to 802.11g? Are there any other recommendations on how I should connect these two devices and provide 802.11n service?
Again, thank you in advance.
--GMReed

When using the "extend" feature with the new 802.11n base stations, the extended wireless network operates in the 802.11n mode. I believe you may be referring to one of two things that may have led you to that conclusion: 1) When extending a network with the older static version of a WDS, the extended network operates in the 802.11g mode. This is true when either or both base stations are 802.11g models, and 2) Non-"n" wireless clients, connected to a "n" network, will bring the network down to the lowest bandwidth level of the oldest standard. Although connecting these types of clients does affect the overall bandwidth available to "n" clients, it does NOT bring the overall wireless network down to "g" or "b" level.
>If at all possible, I would like the entire network (Extreme and Express) to use the same SSID and password.
By default, both base stations must uses the same Network Name or SSID and wireless password to work properly.
>Have the Extreme perform the MAC filtering, provide DHCP address, and service a guest network.
For MAC filtering in an extended network, both base stations must be configured with the same MAC addresses for all clients that you want access to the extended network. The Extreme would provide DHCP service, but (unfortunately) you cannot extend the guest network.

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802.11n only 5GHz or 802.11b/g compatible?

Using a wireless connection to an AE, I don't notice any difference in speed and/or performance with my MB while in the "802.11n only" (5GHz) mode compared to the "802.11b/g compatible" (2.4GHz) mode. No matter which mode, I don't seem to get more than 130 MBit/s. Could someone please provide me the correct AE settings and/or tweaks necessary for me to obtain the optimum speed. FYI, my AE is connected via Ethernet to a cable modem with Charter Communications 5.2 Mb/s High Speed Internet service. (I already installed the 10.5.8 combo update with no problems)

I see you have marked this solved... but would just like to confirm. Are you using download speeds as your measurement?... or moving files within your local network? For the most part, even FiOS... which is generally the fastest internet available for the average consumer... will not saturate the bandwidth of 802.11g. You will not see any faster internet speeds using 802.11n vs. 802.11g.

802.11n connection comes and goes with 10.5.2 update

Running 10.5.2 with Mac Pro Quad Core and Airport Extreme base station on latest firmware.
802.11n loses signal randomly (airport icon goes grey), all I have to do to get it back is act like I'm going to choose a new network (click on airport icon in the menu bar) and then let go of the menu without choosing anything and voila, back.
802.11g works fine... if I switch the base station to b/g compatible no drop outs. This however, is not a solution in my book.
No problems prior to 10.5.2

Check this out before someone deletes it.
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1389855
Also
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1428660
and
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1231631
I tried everything (and believe me my job is to sort out stuff like this). If someone brought back a machine like this to where I work I would tick a box on a form that says 'pre-loaded software fault' and send it back.
I have gone back to Tiger as I cannot maintain a wireless connection or stop all my applications from randomly quitting etc etc etc. Of course a small minority have given me excessive grief for daring to state that this is apple's fault but hay ho.
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Apple TV and Time Capsule 802.11n -- idle timeout and group key stuff...

I've been having some wireless issues since moving to a Time Capsule to provide my 802.11n service.
I have my time capsule setup as an 802.11n only router, on a 5 ghz band only, with WPA2 security (AES-CCMP.) My reception is great -- but I've noticed in the logs that there's an idle disconnect that seems to occur about every 10 minutes.
What seems to be happening is that when the idle disconnect occurs, the AppleTV renews its connection. The problem, at least 90% of the time, is that if the "group key timeout" value in the Airport Admin Utility has been passed AND the idle timeout occurs, the unit appears to be unable to connect to the network unless you reboot OR reenter the network password.
The Time Capsule is setup strictly from a networking standpoint as a wireless bridge -- I have an existing network DHCP server, and during the disconnects, a DHCP renewal is not occurring.
Another observation when this issue is occurring: on the "Network" settings page, instead of selecting wireless network, you can select TCP/IP, and select "DHCP" and the unit will state that it has successfully connected to the network, and states the network name. The Time Capsule though doesn't show an active client; I have to assume this is some sort of bug.
Since the unit works fine after a reboot, I have to assume something isn't quite right with the way it is attempting to reconnect to grab an update group key after an idle timeout occurs.
I'd like to test this further, but I can't find anyway in the Airport Admin Utility to change the idle timeout value. There's a place to enter the group key timeout, but not the idle timeout.
Has anyone else noticed this behavior and found a way around it?
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Just one more follow-up post to say that I continue to have the same problem. (Just picked up my TC and aTV on Tuesday and didn't get a chance to do too much with it until this weekend.
I have the TC running in bridge mode to my FIOS Actiontec router. The Actiontec does DHCP for the home network (has to because of paculiarities with FIOS on MOCA with a cable TV set-top box) and runs an 802.11 g network for all my non-N hardware (iPhone, older computers, etc.). The TC runs 5 GHz N-only, and the aTV connects to that. I set things up this way because I wanted to keep the aTV and my N-capable computers on a dedicated wireless channel for speed.
Alas, I'm afraid I'm going to have to use the aTV on the G network, or perhaps ethernet, until this problem gets sorted out.

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Boot Camp forum.
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MacBook Pro - 802.11n, WPA2-Personal and Time Capsules

I recently moved to using 802.11n (5GHZ) mode on my Time Capsule using WPA2-Personal security. I am unable to connect to the wireless network which is extremely frustrating since this is all Apple hardware. I have no problem connecting to the 802.11n 5GZ network using one of my PCs.
My MacBook Pro has the latest software updates available and does have 802.11n enabled.
I have been looking for similar issues on the forum and have tried a few things that were suggested by others, but nothing works. I've reset the router. Reset the SMU. Haven't reset NVRAM yet.
I have a mix of Apple and PC hardware that is connecting to this network. My 24" Intel iMac (Core 2 Duo) connects just fine.
I'm hoping there is a GURU on this forum that can assist me.
Thanks,
J.d.

I would try:
1. Examine your system.log for the error you are getting, if you cannot authenticate with the router it will say why. Go to the Apple icon, select "About this Mac", select "more info" button in the center, select "Log" under Software on the left panel side, select "system.log" then scroll to the bottom, look for errors in the log related to "airport" or 802.11...
2. Go to Finder/Utilities, pull up keychain access.app, click on System on the left, you should see an entry for your WIFI network, delete that entry, close Keychain access.
3. Try removing, reboot then re-add your Aiport entry. Go to System Parameters, Network, highlight "Airport" click on the minus button and remove it. Reboot your computer. When it comes back up go back to System Parameters, Network, then click on the button and re-add the Airport, when it says Airport 2, over write that with just "Airport", then click on Advanced, click on button to add the Preferred Network back in, type the name of the SSID on your router, then select WPA2 Personal from the drop down menu type. You can also display the password to confirm it matches what you input in the router for the password for WPA2 Personal.
Under TCP/IP, if you are getting a private IP address from the router via DHCP, then set IPv4 to DHCP. I would not use IPv6 for time being, set that to Off. Next click on your DNS and input your DNS if not automatically filled in by the router with DHCP, I always like to add a DNS not provided by the router that way if it fails or you go to Starbucks you will always have a DNS entry that works, I would input OpenDNS's entries, so those would be under IPv4:
208.67.222.222 and other is
208.67.220.220
So to connect, your computer needs to have an IP address, either DHCP or manually input (like 192.168.1.xxx) etc.
Next you need a DNS entry if not provided for by your router (should be if it is dishing out DHCP client addresses).
WINS and Proxies are only used in corporate environments where they are using a windows domain and/or proxy servers as a gateway to the WAN.
WPA2 Personal offers much better security than WPA or WEP shared, if you use a password make it at least 8 characters in length 10 is better. The longer you make it the higher the security, but it must match exactly what the password was set for WPA2 on the router.
TO make sure you are not having signal/noise problems get as close to your router as you can to establish the connection once that is done you can move farther away.

Numerous problems with Airport Express 802.11n with DSL and extending WLAN

Hi all,
I have the following hardware:
802.11b/g Airport Express with firmware 6.3
802.11n Airport Express with firmware 7.3.2
MacBook Pro
iBook G4
Mac Pro PowerMac 2x450 G4
Up until now I had been using the old Airport Express as the base station connecting to my PPPoE DSL line, and it worked fine. I wanted to extend the range of this network, and got another newer Airport Express, the 802.11n model.
First I tried to use the 802.11n to connect to the Internet and the old one to extend the network. Turns out the old one can't be used to extend a network, which is bad enough, but the 802.11n one refuses to connect via DSL for more than a couple minutes, then drops the Internet connection.
So I tried downgrading the firmware to 7.3.0 and 7.3.1, but it didn't help. Did a hard reset, factory default reset, soft reset, nothing worked.
Next I tried swapping the two, putting the old Express back on the DSL line and the new one as the bridge to extend the network (using WPA2). But the 802.11n complains that it can't access the network and flashes amber.
Again, tried upgrading to 7.3.2, downgrading to 7.3.1 and 7.3.0, hard reset, soft reset. Nothing works.
Any ideas?
Cheers,
Fairfax71

I don't see any option in the Airport Admin Utility for the old Express for creating a WDS network, only to participate in one...?
That is the option you want to choose.
You could use the newer AirPort Utility to configure the older AX.
Sorry, forgot to ask something else: The 802.11n Express is able to join the WLAN created by the 802.11b/g Express as a client, but not extend it, is that what you're saying?
No. If you join the network the AX is simply acting as another wireless client and is not extending the network. The "extend" option is not available since the older AX is not 802.11n capable. You must use WDS.
Use AirPort Utiity and follow these steps for both AX's. To set up the main AX:
Click the AirPort status menu in the menu bar and choose the wireless network created by the base station you want to set up as the main base station.
Open AirPort Utility (located in the Utilities folder in the Applications folder on a Mac, or in Start > All Programs > AirPort on a Windows computer). Select the main base station, and choose Manual Setup from the Base Station menu, or double-click the base station to open the configuration in a separate window. Enter the base station password if necessary. If the base station is using the default password of public, you will not be prompted for a password.
Click the Wireless button, and then choose “Participate in a WDS network” from the Wireless Mode pop-up menu.
Click WDS and then choose “WDS main” from the WDS Mode pop-up menu.
Select the “Allow wireless clients” checkbox if you want client computers to connect to this base station.
Click the Add button and enter the MAC address of the base stations you want to connect to this base station. If there is a base station listed that you’d like to remove from the list, select the base station and click the Delete (–) button.
Click Update to send the new settings to the base stations in the WDS. By default, the “Allow wireless clients” checkbox is selected. If you deselect the checkbox, and later want to change the settings on the base station, you must connect to the base station’s LAN port with an Ethernet cable. You will not be able to connect to the base station wirelessly.
To set up the second AX to connect to the main AX:
Open AirPort Utility. Select the AX, and choose Manual Setup from the Base Station menu. Enter the base station password, if necessary. If the base station is using the default password of public, you will not be prompted for a password.
Enter the same network password as the main base station, if necessary.
Click the AirPort button, and then click Wireless. Choose “Participate in a WDS network” from the Wireless Mode pop-up menu, and choose the same channel as the main base station from the Channel pop-up menu.
Click WDS and choose “WDS remote” from the pop-up menu.
Enter the MAC address of the main base station in the WDS Main field. The MAC address is also referred to as the AirPort ID and is printed on the label on the bottom of the base station.
Click Update to transfer the settings to the base station.
This can be found on page 42 of "Designing AirPort Networks Using AirPort Utility" (direct PDF download).

AirPort Extreme (802.11n), AirPort Express, and Client Limit Q

I'm very interested in the new AirPort Extreme (APE) due to the ability to access a hard drive from it for network sharing. I think that is awesome. But I have a few questions.
I am currently running 2 AirPort Express (APX) base stations for my network and am getting great signal strength throughout the house. No real complaints there.
One has the modem plugged into in the basement, and the other is set up as WDS. Unfortunately, I am quickly approaching the 10 client connection limit for the APX, so I was looking for a way to expand it.
If I get an APE and use the APX base stations as WDS access points, will I still be limited to only 10 clients attached at a time? And, since I assume the computer attaches itself to whichever of the three AP base stations has the strongest signal, will I alway be able to access the hard drive attached to the APE if I do that? I understand I won't get the 802.11n speeds (fine, I don't care) , but I would love to keep the APX base stations in my network for stereos and signal boosting.
Thanks for your help.

Is there a way to use the APX without losing bandwidth?
Configure it to operate as a wireless client. See KB 302153, AirPort Express: How to join an existing wireless network in client mode.
Maybe a way to use it as an extension other than WDS mode?
No
And why does it cut the bandwidth in half?
802.11b/g is not duplex so data can only be transmitted one direction at a time since the same channel (and radio) is used to transmit/receive.
If traffic is flowing from deviceB to deviceA, that traffic will interrupt the flow of data in the other direction and get part of the full bandwidth.
Each WDS link cuts the effective bandwidth in half because the traffic has to be retransmitted again. Let's assume that deviceA and deviceB are connected via WDS. Let's say that deviceA is connected to the internet and clientC is wirelessly connect to deviceB. Let's say that clientC is sending a 54 Mb file to the internet.
- 1 second to send 54 Mb file from clientC to deviceB
- 1 second to send 54 Mb file from deviceB to deviceA
So looking at the bandwidth between clientC and the internet, we see that the transfer rate is:
(54 Mb)/(2 seconds) = 27 Mbps
The effect of WDS becomes even more troublesome when you realize that while the data is being transferred between clientC and deviceB, deviceA has to shut off its radio so that it doesn't cause interference with the transfer. This means that other clients of deviceA are waiting. So WDS has large implications for big networks.

Why after running the Airport Extreme 802.11n cd, still show 802.11 a/b/g??

Hi,
I had install the 802.11n from the CD of Airport Extreme package, but still under the "Network Utitlity", I can't see the "n"?
Anyone can help to advise?

I have a Core duo 2 MBP...
Not clear from the description of your processor.
If you have a "Core Duo" processor, it is not capable of 'n'.
If you have a "Core 2 Duo" processor, it is capable of 'n'.
I've updated to AirPortExtremeUpdate2007003 - how do i know if i'm using n capability?
To check to see if your Mac has 'n' capability (after neabler installed):
Open Network Utility (found in the Applications > Utilities folder)
Under the Info Tab, choose Network Interface (en1)
In the section "Model: Wireless Network Adapter," if it says (802.11a/b/g/n), you already have the 802.11n enabler installed. If it says (802.11a/b/g), you do not have the 802.11n enabler installed.

Extreme 802.11n support for POE 802.3af?

Can anyone confirm if the new (current) generation Airport Extreme 802.11n supports PoE installation? There was a special -- also called education -- version of the previous generation Extreme based station for POE installation.
thanks.
* Nevermind, found previous posts!

jheiliger, Welcome to the discussion area!
The new square 802.11b/g/n AirPort Extreme base station (AEBS) apparently does NOT support POE (Power over Ethernet).

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