Checking playback frame rate

Hi Guys,
The answer to this question maybe painfully obvious, but I have just installed the Ati X1900 for G5 and want to check how well it's doing I'm going to use the test files as in this discussion:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=4626023&#4626023
My question is, where do you check the playback frame rate in Motion, again sorry of this is obvious I just can't seem to see it.
Your help would be very much appreciated,
James
Message was edited by: James Ratnarajah1

Hi,
if you get the preferences up, and go to the Appearance pane, there is a check box to show the frame rate during playback. Thhis will then apear in the bar below the toolbar icons when you play back.
thanks
adam

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