Color Management Settings

I'm not sure what to set my color management settings up as! I've been told a few different things! I shoot in Adobe RGB, but I've been told to set my working space to SRGB and then to set the color management policies to "Convert to working RGB, CMYK, and Gray." Then I've also been told to set the working space to Adobe RGB (1998) and then under "coversion options" change the "intent" to "perceptual."
Regardless of which setting I try to use, the coloring when I view it in Photoshop is much more yellow than when I view it on my monitor. I have callibrated my monitor, so I'm assuming the problem is within Photoshop. How do I fix this so that the colors match???
Thank you,
Jacalyn

I've been told to set my working space to SRGB and then to set the color management policies to "Convert to working RGB"
Yes, I'd back up what the previous poster says. Where did you get this advice? its extremely poor advice. If its valid at all, this would only apply to people doing an extremely narrow, low end type of work - destined ONLY for the internet.
'Autoconvert' in Color Settings is pretty nasty, it takes every file and converts it. And sRGB is a pretty dumb profile, I've always reckoned - as Bart says, its low gamut, designed for 'lowest common denominator' displays.
Spyder, and your monitor calibration: (because it sounds like your profile isnt being picked up) - I did some research and believe that there may be a "ProfileChooser" application somewhere on PC? - always thought monitor profiles should be stored somewhere in PC control panels. But lord knows whats happening with these settings on PC these days. On mac it does all this much more intuitively of course.;-)
But here's a thread I found where someone had a problem similar to yours…
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=57889

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And here's the setting in Digital Photo Professional that needs to be selected in order to match up with CS5 (again, circled in red):
*Note: When the option above "Monitor Profile" is selected ("Use the OS settings") the image is displayed exactly the same as when the monitor profile is selected. It's only when sRGB is selected that it goes back to the default darker, more contrasty version.
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What I also don't understand is why, when the monitor profile is selected in CS5, the image is displayed in the dark and contrasty way that the other programs display it as by default but when the monitor profile is selected in Digitial Photo Professional it displays it in the lighter, more washed out way that CS5 displays it using CS5's default settings (sRGB). Why would selecting the monitor profile in DPP display the photo the same way as when sRGB is selected in Photoshop? And vice versa...why would selecting the monitor profile in Photoshop display the photo the same way as when sRGB is selected in DPP?
I feel like I'm missing something obvious here...which I probably am. Again, I'm very new to this stuff so pardon my ignorance on the topic.
By the way, I find that the way that the non-color managed programs (Windows Picture and Fax Viewer et al.) display the photos is more aesthetically pleasing to the eye than the duller, more washed out display that CS5 gives the photos, but ultimately what I want to see in these programs (especially PS5 where I'll be doing the editing) is the accurate representation of the actual photo itself...i.e. what it's supposed to look like and not a darker (or lighter) variant of it.
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Why does selecting Monitor Profile under the color management settings in DPP give the same display results as the default sRGB profile in CS5 and vice versa? (CS5 with monitor profile selected having the same display results as DPP with the sRGB profile selected)
When using CS5 with it's default color management settings (sRGB), using DPP with the Monitor Profile selected, and using Zoombrowser EX with "Adjust color of images using monitor profile" selected this results in all three programs displaying the same lighter, washed-out images...is this lighter, more washed-out display of the images shown in these three programs the accurate one?
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I apologize for the lengthy post; I do tend to be a bit OCD about these things...it's a habit I picked up once I realized I'd been improperly editing photos on an incorrectly calibrated monitor for years and all that time and effort had been spent editing photos in a certain way that looked good on my incorrectly calibrated monitor but looked like crap on everyone else's screen, so the length and detail of this post comes from a desire to not repeat similar mistakes by editing photos the wrong way all over again. Again, thanks in advance for all the help, it's greatly appreciated!

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