Color Profiles and Web sRGB Images

I have my LCD's calibrated using an i1 Display Pro with Color Eyes as my calibration software. The images I create look fine in Photoshop/Lightroom/Preview/Etc... but the problem that I'm having is that they look very different in a web browser when I use sRGB.
Converting the image to sRGB and imbedding the profile in Photoshop looks fine. Looking at the JPEG Photoshop/Lightroom/etc. looks fine, but as soon as I look at the image in a web browser I get a much more saturated image with a red color shift.
I found that if I change my LCD display profile to the sRGB profile then the images will look the same in Photoshop and using a web browser. So... does anyone have an idea on what is going on here? And do I trust the calibrated profile, or use the sRGB profile for my monitors?
(FYI, if I look at the images on my Apple Laptop or iPad the images look fine on the web. And if I download an image from the web (not mine) it looks the same in the browser and in Photoshop.)

You have a wide gamut monitor.
You need to use a web browser that reads and converts to the monitor profile. Firefox, Safari and Chrome will do that (but not IE); as long as there is an embedded document profile to convert from. If the image is untagged, it will pass straight through without color management.
However, Firefox has an option that the others don't have: with color management set to mode 1 (not the default mode 2) it will assign sRGB to any material that is untagged (does not have an embedded profile). This allows the color management chain to operate and the proper conversion to your monitor profile to happen. With this setting, everything displays correctly.
To do this, type about:config in the adress bar, and scroll down to gfx.color_management.mode.

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Exported Jpgs - Questions with regards to color profiles and web browsers

I along with others have noted the fact that it's not possible to instruct apertrue to save images without a profile. Up until recently I've been saving my images with the sRGB profile. I noted (as has been posted about elsewhere on the forums) that safari displays the image one way, and Firefox another. As others have noted, this is due to Safari being a color managed browser, and Firefox not being color managed.
However, when I save a jpg out of photoshop with NO color profile applied the image looks identical in both browsers.
I'm considering not using profiles as all if saving an image with an sRGB colorspace profile allows me to change the behavior so that Safari matches Firefox. I would love to go the other way (to do something magical to effect the way that images appear in Firefox) but that doesn't seem to be an options here.
So, after all that, my questions are:
1.) What is it specifically about not applying a profile, that makes Safari render images identically to FireFox (in other words, what's going on?)
2.) Is there any way to apply NO profile to an exported Aperture Raw image...not the camera profile, not sRGB...NOTHING.
I would guess a good runner up would be to use Automator to strip out the profile. But before I go making changes to my workflow, I'd really like to know why exactly this seems to work.

This doesn't produce the same effect as in Photoshop.
Photoshop has the ability to 'convert to profile'– to actually change the colors in an image so that even in a profile isn't embedded, the colors have been changed. If you choose to, you can also have Photoshop embed the profile as well.
Aperture on the other hand, -seems- to only have the ability to attach a profile to an image. In other words, it relys on color aware apps to interpret the image using the attached profile. (I can't seem to find a way to 'convert' to a profile in Aperture, in the same way I can in Photoshop– doesn't mean one doesn't exist, I just can't seem to find it)

Using Color profiles and exporting for web browsers

I've been trying to figure out the answer to this question. As I'm sure you're aware Safari supports color profiles while other web browsers like Firefox do not. I would like to setup Aperture so that it displays and exports images for the widest audience possible. Unfortunately it embeds a color profile and my images on the web only display correctly in Safari. I've tried changing the proofing profiles and export settings to no avail. I didn't seem to have this problem in iPhoto, a picture there looked the same on screen as it did in Safari and Firefox but I can't achieve the same with Aperture...

Thanks for that information, unfortunately I'm not really any closer to solving the issue since I've already tried that. 1) by default, doesn't Aperture automatically embed the sRGB color profile? 2) if I set view>proofing mode to sRGB shouldn't what I see on screen match what a "dumb" application such as Firefox does when it ignores the embedded profile and display sRGB? I've tried going into the preferences>export settings and changed everything to sRGB IEC61966-2.1 but I see no difference in the final image between that and the default setting.
I guess my question is more specific to Aperture since I don't have this problem with other applications. For example, in photoshop if I do Export for Web it strips out any embedded profile and when I open that image in Firefox and Safari side-by-side they are exactly the same. But not so when I export an image from Aperture, when opened in Firefox it is desaturated and flat and of course in Safari it honors the embedded profile and looks fine.

A general question about JPGs, color profiles and the web.

(Didn't get much help in the PS forum, so I'm gonna try this here.)
I save a website background image in Photoshop with its color profile (in this instance, Adobe RGB 1998).
When I view the image in IE (latest), it looks the same as it did in PS.
When I view it in Firefox (latest), it comes out darker.
I'm guessing this has something to do with one of the two browsers taking the color profile into account, and the other not.
What is everyone's solution to this problem? Should I not be including color profiles with my JPGs? And if that isn't the problem (ie, I should keep doing it), which is the color profile I should be using in RGB?
I keep hopping between Adobe RGB (1998) and sRGB 2.1 and can't decide which one to adopt once and for all.
Thanks.

You are correct. The colors differ from IE to FF because FF and Safari use the color profiles found in your images.
You might like the discussion found on Usability Post: http://www.usabilitypost.com/2008/07/30/photoshop-color-profiles-for-web-images/
I've been using sRGB 2.1 for a few years and have had no major issues with it.

Color profiles for web and print

Hi,
I am editing photos from my DSLR. They were shot as jpg in Adobe RGB. I am editing photos for both web and print at the moment and was wondering if there is a way to do that so that I would be able to edit for both simultaneously in the Photoshop process.
Here are the details for what I normally do:
For print, I would work photos over in AdobeRGB while the Proofing option is set to Working CMYK (usually SWOP, depending on what printer I use). Then I'd flatten the artwork, resize and sharpen, and change the color mode to CMYK, save as TIFF.
For web, I usually edit while RGB Color Settings are set to sRGB IEC61966-2.1, and Proofing is set to Monitor RGB. I flatten, resize and sharpen, and Save for Web.
Is there any way I can edit a single photo (shot in Adobe RGB) so that they can be used for BOTH print and web? I know CMYK vs. RGB would mean that they would end up looking different in the end, but is there any way I can have a single Photoshop file for a photo and go through the necessary steps to make it ready for print and for web... or is it that due to color profiles and proofing options, there's nothing I can do but to edit each photo twice?
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karoleend wrote:
Thanks for the advice. I'll try that out.
I posted my second question before I read your response, but yes, it does seem the best choice to convert to sRGB when Saving for Web. And you say you place your .psd file into an InDesign document? Do you do that if you only wish to save as a pdf... what do you personally do when saving as TIFF for print?
I don't save Tiffs for print. I use PSDs. I don't ever give ID files with all linked files to the printer only PDFs. If i'm working on something like a coffee table book I would do the conversion in Photoshop. but most magazines and newspapers, CD covers, posters, brochures everything stays aRGB until I make the PDF.

One again about color profiles and lightroom

I have wide gamut monitor (nec pa271w) and I tried to calibrate it. After calibration it created new color profile and make it default in windows color managment. But now all pictures in Lightroom are not so colourful as they were before. If I choose srgb(default profile for windows) the colors become as they were before calibration but in this case I see srgb color space and not full color that my monitor can produce. I read articles about calibration but didn't find how to solve the problem with lightroom.

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This is probably the effect of your now calibrated monitor vs. the uncalibrated one.
Often uncalibrated monitors show highly over-saturated colors. It looks very rich and flashy and people are wowed.
But these over-saturated colors cannot be printed and do not reflect the true state of the image data.
When your monitor is calibrated properly it will display the colors as they should be.
When you chose sRGB all the colors - particularly the reds and greens - will appear more saturated. That is the effect of this color space that is much smaller than Adobe RGB or Pro Photo RGB.
LR will automatically find and select your calibrated color profile if it is saved in the right place / folder.
And you can't change that. There is no provision for a different color space in LR.
WW
PS: As Pete and other posters have said already: Set the white point of your monitor to 6500 - that is the accepted standard. Don't choose sRGB to make your photos look good. Rather work with a calibrated monitor and then edit your photos in LR to your liking. You seem to think that your photos are a given and you have to adjust your monitor to make them look good - that's not how it's done.
WW

Assign User Profiles and Web Interface Transactions to Users

Hi EM Gurus,
Has anyone worked with not standard scenarios in SCEM?
They are working well but I can't access them on interface web.
In selection page (search page after logon), where choose tracking scenarios, only standard scenarios appear although I have assigned both scenarios to the user and made same configuration; Assigned and Defined Web Interface Transactions, Configured Fields for User Profiles, Defined User Profiles, Assigned User Profiles and Web Interface Transactions to Users.
But only Standard Scenarios appear as choice of tracking scenarios that are displayed to the user as a dropdown box on the selection screen after logging on to the Web interface.
Has anyone accessed not standard scenarios on interface web??
Help, please!
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Rodrigo Freitas

Hello Rodrigo,
if you have assigned the scenarios to your user in transaction /SAPTRX/UCUSER you must go to the admin page and reload the profile manager.
/admin in the URL of the WCL instead /ehsearch.
Afterwards you should see them also in the drop-down box.
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My screen went high-contrast. color profiles and calibration didn't help. It looks fine before I log in though!

My screen went high-contrast. color profiles and calibration didn't work well -
HOWEVER-
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Color Profile and ACR 4.6 (Vista)

Hi,
My monitor is calibrated with Spyder3. I have set up my Photoshop CS3 so that the color management policies are disabled and the proof conditions are set up to the .icc profile produces by the calibrator. With these settings the files that I save in Photoshop look similar in Photoshop, Microsoft Office Picture Manager, IE and on paper.
But if I decide to open a RAW file, then it is opened in ACR and looks very different: all colors are over-saturated and totally unnatural. Nevertheless, clicking on "Save Image" without changing anything produces a jpeg, which, if opened in Photoshop, looks fine.
I played with this jpeg in Photoshop and was able to reproduce those unnatural colors of ACR in the following way:
- Go to Save For Web&Devices
- Open the Preview Menu
- Chose Windows Color
Normally I have Uncompensated Color chosen there and then it looks normal.
Here are the examples. First, how the file looks in ACR ad then in PS:
Does anybody know why this might happen?
Thank you very much,
Vera

vemina39 wrote:
Thank you Ramon,
Could you please elaborate? I have looked through the page you gave me a link to. I did not see much new there.
The problem I have is with proofing. If I switch to sRGB I have consistent colors through all my applications but they look very washed out and way too cold. If I then make my picture look "natural" (whatever that means) on my screen, it looks too saturated and too warm on most of other screens I tried. (And on paper too.)
Proofing under my .icc does not give that problem, but it has the other: ACR and Photoshop proof differently. So I cannot use ACR for conversion and have to use the Canon's software, which (I suppose) uses the monitor profile for proofing.
Are you OYing about the fact that I do not convert the profile of my pictures before sending them to the printer?
Vera
Vera,
If G. Ballard's excellent, clearly written pages did not help you, you can bet I won't be able to either.
No, I was saying OY! about your entire post!
Good grief! you're turning off Color Management in Photoshop (or you think you are, but you're not "turning it off", you're just messing it up) and you're massively misusing your monitor profile.
Honestly I don't have the time, strength or inclination to explain it to you step-by-step.
CAUTION: NEVER, ever set your working space to be your monitor profile!
In very broad strokes:
Calibrate and profile your monitor, use the resulting profile ONLY in your OS and nowhere else, not anywhere in Photoshop. Set your working profile to a device-independent profile such as ProPhoto RGB, Adobe RGB or sRGB, embed the same device-independent profile such as ProPhoto RGB, Adobe RGB or sRGB, in your file (that is called "tagging your file"), work with your file and save it.
• Then, for the web, Convert a copy the file to sRGB if it's not already tagged as sRGB, then soft proof (Proof) the file with the sRGB profile to see how other people who happen to have a calibrated monitor (less than 2% of all web viewers) will see it in a color managed application.
For heaven's sake DO NOT soft-proof with your gosh-darned monitor profile!!! You're just fooling yourself that way. No one else in the entire world will see the image the same way except by sheer serendipity.
—What kind of printer are you using? Are you talking about your own inkjet printer or a commercial printing press?
• If your own printer, then your file should be created in an Adobe RGB working color space (you can move up to an even wider space once you know what you are doing), tag your file with the embedded Adobe RGB profile, and then use your TARGET (paper) profile to soft-proof your image. The Target Profile, also called paper profile, MUST be specific to a particular combination of paper/ink/printer.
• If a commercial press, ask them to provide their own profiles for their print presses or devices so you can use it for soft proofing.
In both of these last two cases, use the paper target profile for soft proofing. NEVER your gosh-darned monitor profile!
Again: If G. Ballard's excellent, clearly written pages did not help you, you can bet I won't be able to either. I'm done here.

Color Profile and Color Shift Headache

I am having a terrible time trying to fix a color issue. I have seen suggestions in various discussions. Here's what I have tried:
Reset PRAM
Calibrate monitor
Double checked Univesal Access
Trashed preferences file
Tried using other profiles
Created seperate user account
I even tested to see if the video card or monitor was bad but when I plugged in a Viewsonic LCD display into the ADC port (using a converter) my Hitachi CM721F CRT monitor apparently "slaved" and mirrored off of the Viewsonic profile and everything was fine. When I disconnected the Viewsonic, the problem reappeared. Since then I have also had an Apple Cinema Display hooked up and there was no problem.
In fact, just this evening I was using iPhoto and all my photos had a red shift to them. Out of curiousity I played them as a slideshow and they looked fine. Additionally photo previews in the Finder, when set to column view look fine but when I open in preview I get a red color shift
What exactly is going on here?
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HI
Even if bit depth and color profile aren't related, we can say that a small bit depth (8 bit) can have problems with posterization effects if a large (i.e. ProPhotoRGB) color space is used.
More colors can be "reached" in a large color space, so, if many of them are in a small range of RGB values (XYZ coordinates in color spaces are translated in RGB values at the end), some "near" colors could be "rounded", practically disappearing. So some "posterization" effect could be visible (posterization stands for colors that do not "fade" between them but are clearly separated at the eye).
So, in practical use, a 8-bit color depth is better used with sRGB and AdobeRGB color space, while larger color spaces like ProPhotoRGB need a 16-bit depth. Using "dithering" (random distribution of color pixel) technique can reduce the posterization effect (for Web image for example), but is better to keep the larger color spaces with large bit depth.
Hope it helps.
Massimo

Need suggestion on Color Profile settings for printing image

I am trying to print the image below on a Xerox Docucolor 242. Im trying to get a better understanding of profiles and all that, which I THINK I do now.
Under Color Settings in Indesign, I have under Working Spaces, RGB is set to my monitor brand and type and CMYK is set to my exact printer. I have both of the Color Management Policies set to Off.
When I print the RGB version of this image, everything looks ok except for a very faded look. Probably noticed mostly because of all the black background that is used. When I print the CMYK version of it, it seems to print nice and dark but there is a strong white halo effect showing around both the flames which doesnt show on the screen or the RGB printout.
Anyone know what settings are causing the faded look in the RGB printout and the halo effects in the CMYK printout?

As others have said, this is a complex process, but one that is solvable.
I agree with others the RGB profile should NOT be the monitor but the profile of the original image. For most midrange cameras this will be sRGB or Adobe RGB depending on the settings in the Camera when the images was captured. It is NOT arbitary and choosing the wrong profile will have a large affect on the image.
The CMYK profile for the printer is more complex. There are two steps in calibrating and profiling a Xerox printer. First the calibration, or linearisation, sets the printer to a known state that can be repeated. This is best done with a spectrophotometer and not the CalorCal software provided by Xerox which uses a known colour chart scanned from the glass of the copier. The glass method of calibration does not calibrate correctly at the black end of the curve actually turns over reducing the available black, and is due to reflections from the glass. Calibration is normally done daily.
When the calibration has been completed a full ICC profile is created by printing a profile chart of some 2000 colours and reading this with the spectrophotometer. This is only valid for a calibrated printer and for the type of paper used. Different papers will require different profiles. It is a once only operation.
Another thing to watch out for is how your RGB images are being converted to CMYK. There is a setting both in the Creative suite and in the printer to set the black compensation. What you want to achieve is the same black as in the original image. In the CMYK case this will be printed as a combination of black toner pus a mixture of CMY to incread the density. The profile takes care of this for you.
Your description of weak blacks suggests that the black me be being printed as pure black toner.
Ian
NZ ColourManagement.

Monitor color profile - not converting sRGB to local color profile.

I used Color Eyes Pro to color calibrate my monitor.
When I view sRGB images in FF4, they don't display properly (not converting to my local color profile). Images I save as my local profile as imgs, appear fine in FF4. This applies to both JPGs and PNGs.
IE and Chrome have no issues with view sRGB. Local color profile imgs of course appear correct.

See https://developer.mozilla.org/En/ICC_color_correction_in_Firefox
Caveats: The new QCMS color management system introduced in Firefox 3.5 currently only supports ICC version 2 color profiles, not version 4.
Test page: http://www.color.org/version4html.xalter - Is your system ICC Version 4 ready?

Color profiles and export presets

I shoot RAW, with the color space in the camera set to sRGB, but after importing to Aperture (3.2.4), the Profile name in the metadata inspector is always Adobe RGB. Why does this transformation come about automatically (i.e., is there some technical rationale for not letting the user decide)? Can I change some setting somewhere it so it stays sRGB and then export as Adobe RGB if I need it (i.e, rather than sRGB). I do a lot of uploading to a website (with printing at home not of primary importance), so working with sRGB all the way through without going to Adobe RGB and back again seems to make more sense.

EXIF data is really a sort of gray area, while all digital cameras and all digital image software interact with the EXIF fields to some extent there really isn't any one definitive standard of what is put where and exactly what it means apart for the few obvious ones.
So you're point makes sense but it's really not an Aperture thing. If you look at the file before importing the field is already filled out.
regards
Message was edited by: Frank Caggiano

Color profile and 16 bit printing

I read a post that said sRBG was the best color profile for ibook. It is also the smallest gamut compared to Adobe 1998 or ProRGB. Is it really "the best" one to use? Also, can iBook printing support 16 bit files? If the answers are yes to sRGB and no to 16 bit, does anyone have a suggestion for someplace else to have only one book printed? Thank you.

I read a post that said sRBG was the best color profile for ibook. It is also the smallest gamut compared to Adobe 1998 or ProRGB. Is it really "the best" one to use?
Yes - that is the reason that it is recommended - user experience with Adobe RGB for example has been unsatisfactory
And note that iPhoto is a consumer product and the books are designed for consumers - I find them outstanding as do most users. Only you can choose what pleases you.
for more info on preparing your photo see - http://www.apple.com/support/photoservices/preparation_tips/
Generally you will find that doing less editing and doing it in iPhoto will produce the best (yes - best does mean best once again) results
Also, can iBook printing support 16 bit files?
No idea
If the answers are yes to sRGB and no to 16 bit, does anyone have a suggestion for someplace else to have only one book printed? Thank you.
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