One again about color profiles and lightroom

I have wide gamut monitor (nec pa271w) and I tried to calibrate it. After calibration it created new color profile and make it default in windows color managment. But now all pictures in Lightroom are not so colourful as they were before. If I choose srgb(default profile for windows) the colors become as they were before calibration but in this case I see srgb color space and not full color that my monitor can produce. I read articles about calibration but didn't find how to solve the problem with lightroom.

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This is probably the effect of your now calibrated monitor vs. the uncalibrated one.
Often uncalibrated monitors show highly over-saturated colors. It looks very rich and flashy and people are wowed.
But these over-saturated colors cannot be printed and do not reflect the true state of the image data.
When your monitor is calibrated properly it will display the colors as they should be.
When you chose sRGB all the colors - particularly the reds and greens - will appear more saturated. That is the effect of this color space that is much smaller than Adobe RGB or Pro Photo RGB.
LR will automatically find and select your calibrated color profile if it is saved in the right place / folder.
And you can't change that. There is no provision for a different color space in LR.
WW
PS: As Pete and other posters have said already: Set the white point of your monitor to 6500 - that is the accepted standard. Don't choose sRGB to make your photos look good. Rather work with a calibrated monitor and then edit your photos in LR to your liking. You seem to think that your photos are a given and you have to adjust your monitor to make them look good - that's not how it's done.
WW

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[Vista] No color profiles in Lightroom

I have a problem with printing in lightroom.
There are some more topics with printing problems, but not like mine.
The problem is that i would like Lightroom to manage the color profiles, but on the printing page, when i click the color profile field, i can only choose 'managed by printer' and 'other'.
When i click 'other', i get a popup screen, where i should be able to select a color profile, but this screen is completely empty, so there is nothing to select.
How can i make a color profile appear in this screen?
When i use printer managed, and select a color profile in my printer screen, i get very bad prints, thats why i want lightroom to manage the colors.
PS: i have a HP D5160 printer.

Hi Ronnie
I have exactly the same problem but using a HP 3210 all-in-one printer. HP doesn´t seem provide ICC profile for their printerns. So, I guess thats the reason no beeing able to view them i th manage by application dialog box.
I have serious problems getting acceptable colours on my prints from Lightroom 1.1 and 1.2 (no difference). No problem at all printing from Photoshop CS or Elements, getting fine printings.
When chatting with HP support they refuse to answer straight questions about ICC profiles and start blaming on Adobe applications instead. Really frustrating.
Really hope that someone finds an acceptable workaround.
//Sten

Changing color profile in Lightroom 5 Soft Proofing from ProPhotoRGB to sRGB is not showing any changes, changes in Photoshop CC are dramatic

I am working with the color profile ProPhoto RGB in both Lightroom 5 and Photoshop CC. In preparing for my first Blurb book I have tried to generate pictures in sRGB in Lightroom, using the Soft Proofing feature, but there are no changes at all. Then I transfer the same pictures into Photoshop, change the color profiles and the results are dramatically different.
What can I do to achieve the same results in Lightroom

With an average monitor what you see on-screen is already soft proofed to sRGB (or something very close to it), because that's all the monitor is capable of displaying anyway. So soft proofing to sRGB won't tell you anything. You won't see any difference.
In Photoshop it sounds as if you assign profiles. That's not the way to do it. If you convert correctly you won't see any difference. Same principle as above: there may be clipping in the process, but what you see on screen is already clipped, so no visual on-screen difference.
With a wide gamut monitor soft proofing becomes slightly more useful. But still you won't see any changes occurring outside Adobe RGB. You'll get a better idea by keeping an eye on the histogram. Ideally, all three channels should taper gently off towards the endpoints. If any one or two channels are backed solidly up against the endpoint, on either side, that's gamut clipping.
If Blurb gave you a real profile, one that reflected their actual printing process, you could soft proof to that. But apparently they don't.

Generic questions about CMYK profiles and proofing

I just read a big book about color management and am trying to make it happen but it seems that in real life I can't get good results.
I have my scanner profiled and it produces aRGB docs.
All good and fine. The images look good on the monitor (which also is profiled.)
Now these images I place inside InDesign as aRGB.
And at some point comes the time for soft proofing.
So I start experimenting with different CMYK profiles.
First question: Should I already do a CMYK conversion for my images in Photoshop or is it ok to do it in InDesign when exporting to PDF?
Coated Fogra27/39, ISO Coated v2 and Euroscale Coated v2 seem to change the colors only slightly.
But when I turn on "Simulate Paper Color" all hell breaks loose. The paper color seems to be always a cold horrible grey and the image is darkened and dulled. It looks like in need of serious color correction.
And further how do these generic profiles know about my paper color anyway?
So maybe this feature should only be used if the profile is custom made for a specific printer and paper.
Second question: has anyone succesfully used the simulation of paper color with a custom made profile?
But it seems that custom profiles are something I can only use at home because the printing service providers seem to be quite unaware of profiling their machines for a specific paper (or profiling it at all).
They tell me to send a "pure" CMYK file without any profiles. But that is impossible because to transform an RGB in CMYK one MUST use a profile.
Third question: Which kind of profile should I use when I am instructed to provide a profile-less CMYK document?
And finally what is the purpose of proofing in the first place if I don't know exactly the profile created for the combination of the output machine and output paper? This issue becomes clearer when using (slightly) colored paper.
- Rami Ojares

>First question: Should I already do a CMYK conversion for my images in Photoshop or is it ok to do it in InDesign when exporting to PDF?
You can save the conversion until you make the PDF if you like, especially if you don't know the correct profile in advance, but you lose the ability to fine-tune and individual image.
>But when I turn on "Simulate Paper Color" all hell breaks loose. The paper color seems to be always a cold horrible grey and the image is darkened and dulled. It looks like in need of serious color correction.
I think this is mostly a case of your eye accommodating to the brightness of the screen. I'm not sure how to avoid this, and I generally don't use the simulate paper color. Comparing my screen to the real printed output without the simulation seems pretty close. Even a generic profile makes an assumption about the color of the paper stock, but a custom profile would be more accurate.
>Third question: Which kind of profile should I use when I am instructed to provide a profile-less CMYK document?
As you already said, you can't do the conversion without knowing the profile. What they are asking is that you don't embed that profile when you do the conversion to PDF. This means they can use a file prepared for the wrong profile and not risk further conversion at the RIP which would create rich blacks from you 100% K elements (type), but the colors wouldn't be 100% correct unless the profile you chose for conversion originally matched the press.
Generic profiles are a quasi-standard that most presses can match, but may not be able to produce quite as wide a color gamut as a custom profile, but many presses don't have a custom profile available. You should ask for a "contract proof" to check the color before the press runs, and if possible go to the printer for the make-ready and check the color on the press before the whole run is printed. There is a LOT of color control available to a skilled press operator, and expect some variation through the run.
Peter

Color profiling in Lightroom

Hi,
I send my photos to a lab for printing. Is there a way to use their color profiles in Lightroom or do I have to go back to Photoshop to do this? And, if I adjust the photo using the labs color profile in Photoshop will Lightroom recognize it?
Thanks,
j.

You can "print" a color managed JPEG file out of Lightroom's print module and select any color profile on your system.(It's a handy way of utilizing the layout features in the print module while using your local lab) You can also select any color profile when exporting your file. The only place where color profiles are limited is the exchange between Lightroom and Photoshop. You can choose between the three most common color spaces at that point.
One other quick point, Lightroom is completely color managed. If your file is tagged with a valid ICC profile the application will respect and manage all of those details for you.
Regards,
Tom

Confused about color profile support in PNG

NOTE -- you have to hover over the image to see the real images. The images embedded in the webpage have their profiles stripped -- just like photoshop does! Interesting.
I ask a similar question on this before, but couldn't give a satisfactory demonstration of how photoshop doesn't support color profiles in png's.
But now I have a great one.
Picture A: this is with the correct color profile and displays correctly in firefox and probably other browsers -- also displays correctly on windows desktop and in large-icon view.
Ok, anyone who doesn't believe me, grab that image and try to read it into photoshop...
I do, and get no warning on profile mismatch like I do on jpg's or tiff's:
photoshop strips the existing profile and adds sRGB which isn't the correct profile.
This is how photoshop transforms good colors into bad:
Completly screwed up.
I have had multiple people notice how my png saved images from photoshop had "off" or bad colors -- usually washed out in comparison w/my monitor profile.
I can get 'ok' results if I flatten the image and *convert* my existing profile to sRGB -- and I usually get
something that looks 'acceptable'...though the jpg's render in accurate color.
Basically, photoshop can't read or write png web images. and maintain color fidelity unless they have no profile. Even if they have an sRGB profile, I usually get washed out looking pics if I don't strip it but let adobe convert it.
In googling for my own problem, I found references to this problem in Adobe Photoshop going back to 2002.
Why does adobe refuse to fix this? It's horrible.
They could fix it with a file plugin for existing CS5-6 users, but it really needs to get fixed and Adobe needs to stop ignoring this problem.
:-( I find this extra depressing because I prefer to distribute my pictures losslessly in png, but with photoshop, I'm left with lossy jpegs to get accurate color reproduction.

How did the SFW thing even come up?? When I embed profiles in jpg and tiff, I do it as part of the File Save or File Save As dialog. I can choose what profile to save it with -- and I usually save it with my currently calibrated monitor profile -- as that color profile is what was used to create the picture. Why would I want to convert them to some other profile?? Only thing I have needed to convert have been PNG's because it doesn't embed my monitor profile in the PNG the same way jpg and tiff do.
If it did, png's would look the same as jpgs and tiffs... but the jpgs and tiffs have the full depth of color and look the same as they do in PS. png's look washed out because -- it's been my belief that PS is not storing my profile in the png, but setting a bit in the file to use the sRGB profile.
AFAIK, PNG provided for a sRGB profile-compat bit -- so images that were compat w/that profile could just set a bit rather than including a profile. I see no evidence that PS is saving my monitor profile with the PNG.
My 'settings' for RGB are to convert to working RGB profile which is my monitor profile.
I do have it set to ask me abou profile mismatches on opening or pasting.
Since I don't get a 'this document has a different color profile than the working space'
message when I edit most png's, I assume it has none. Thus from my settings
it should autoconvert it to my monitor profile and save that on save -- which seems to be what happens when I save as jpg or tiff (or I can check off the box to save profile...but I usually don't).

Color profiles in Lightroom 3 for online printing

Hi,
I would like to know if I can enter color profiles in Lightroom 3 for online printing. I am going to use Adormapix and they have color profiles for each paper. Is there a way to do this in LR 3 and if not is this available in LR 4 or 5? I plan to upgrade in the next 6 months but may upgrade sooner if I need to.

Generally, profiles provided by labs are not for imbedding, or converting the image to send for on-line printing. They are used to simulate the final output on your screen so you have an idea what you will be getting back from the lab on that paper. This is called soft proofing. It is available in Lightroom 4 or 5 by hitting the [S] key while in the Develop module. Choosing a profile in the Soft Proofing dialog that appears beneath the histogram is a way to see how your final print will approximately appear on a selected media.
From Adorama's website: "We print in sRGB color space, so for best results convert your images before uploading." meaning that you will want to send Adorama sRGB images only. When you create a JPEG file to send to Adorama, you will want to specify sRGB in the Lightroom Export dialog under File Settings.

Question About Color's and Gradients

Hi all,
I have a question about color swatches and gradients.
I am curious to know, if I have 2 color swatches that I make into a gradient color, is it posible to change the tint of each indivdual color in that gradient and have that applied to the gradient without having to adjust the gradients opacity.
The reason that I'm asking this is because in creating a project I found that the colors that I chose for to make my gradient from my swatches were to dark, and while I can adjust each one's tint to my liking (if the object they were applied to was going to be a solid color) but that doesn't seem to apply to the overall gradient.
I hope that makes sense, I know that this was something that was able to be accomplished in quark and was wondering if I can do something similar.

If you double click your gradient swatch (after adding it to the swatches)
Then click a colour stop in the gradient, and then change the drop down menu to CMYK (or rgb)
And you can alter the percentages there. It's not much use for spot colours but it's a start.
But making tint swatches would be a good start anyway.
At least then when you double click the gradient (in the swatches) to edit it you can choose from CMYK, RGB, LAB, or Swatches and adjust each colour stop to your liking.

Can I share color profiles and distiller settings with all user accounts on my imac?

Everyone in our studio is on OSX 10.8.3 with adobe cs6 (not creativecliud version).
I have installed color settings and distiller settings on to the macs under the employees user profile.
All the machines also have a general user profile which anyone can use (setup mainly for use by freelancers).
Is there a space on the macs where i can install the color profiles and distiller settings so that all user accounts have them set up?
At the moment i am having to go into each user account on each machine and do it manually.
Also once i have installed distiller settings in one user account I can't install them on subsequent users.
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Thanks for that information, unfortunately I'm not really any closer to solving the issue since I've already tried that. 1) by default, doesn't Aperture automatically embed the sRGB color profile? 2) if I set view>proofing mode to sRGB shouldn't what I see on screen match what a "dumb" application such as Firefox does when it ignores the embedded profile and display sRGB? I've tried going into the preferences>export settings and changed everything to sRGB IEC61966-2.1 but I see no difference in the final image between that and the default setting.
I guess my question is more specific to Aperture since I don't have this problem with other applications. For example, in photoshop if I do Export for Web it strips out any embedded profile and when I open that image in Firefox and Safari side-by-side they are exactly the same. But not so when I export an image from Aperture, when opened in Firefox it is desaturated and flat and of course in Safari it honors the embedded profile and looks fine.

My screen went high-contrast. color profiles and calibration didn't help. It looks fine before I log in though!

My screen went high-contrast. color profiles and calibration didn't work well -
HOWEVER-
It looks fine right before I log in!
Is there a way to repair the color profiles or whatev?
I Installed Photoshop Elements and Premiere Elements a couple weeks ago that's when I think it began

I found it! "Enhanced Contrast" was set in the "Universal Access" control panel
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A general question about JPGs, color profiles and the web.

(Didn't get much help in the PS forum, so I'm gonna try this here.)
I save a website background image in Photoshop with its color profile (in this instance, Adobe RGB 1998).
When I view the image in IE (latest), it looks the same as it did in PS.
When I view it in Firefox (latest), it comes out darker.
I'm guessing this has something to do with one of the two browsers taking the color profile into account, and the other not.
What is everyone's solution to this problem? Should I not be including color profiles with my JPGs? And if that isn't the problem (ie, I should keep doing it), which is the color profile I should be using in RGB?
I keep hopping between Adobe RGB (1998) and sRGB 2.1 and can't decide which one to adopt once and for all.
Thanks.

You are correct. The colors differ from IE to FF because FF and Safari use the color profiles found in your images.
You might like the discussion found on Usability Post: http://www.usabilitypost.com/2008/07/30/photoshop-color-profiles-for-web-images/
I've been using sRGB 2.1 for a few years and have had no major issues with it.

Color profiles in lightroom

I haven't set up my new computer and large gamut monitor with profiles, etc, yet, but am seeing some obvious color shifts and I can't see where to check what profile is being assumed by lightroom. I have set all this up with photoshop before so am somewhat familiar with the issues. In photoshop I would try assigning different color spaces to see if that explained it but I don't see any such setting in lightroom except when exporting.
What I get is nice soft, not-too-saturated photos in LR, then exporting to sRGB they come out garish saturated red. I did try exporting in prophoto and that looks good in a web browser or irfanview with no profile specified in the exif. It could be I've been seeing things wrong and they are supposed to look garish <g> in which case I still need to change some setting then crank down the saturation slider. I believe the photos are adobeRGB out of the camera but mostly raw so that doesn't matter. I have the old monitor running on the side and it looks about the same.
Just dreading setting up the spyder & figuring out printing profiles again, hoping a little setting might improve things for now.

Just dreading setting up the spyder & figuring out printing profiles again, hoping a little setting might improve things for now.
I have used two of the budget Spyders over the past several years and found them frustrating and tricky to use. I can't comment on the more expensive ones. However, recently I bought an X-rite Colormunki Photo and it is a delight to use (though mechanically a little quirky), as well as profiling printers and projectors and multiple screens. Works equally well on Macs (Leopard and Snow Leopard) and Windows 7.
Quite a lot more expensive than the basic Spyder but IMO worth the extra. I've not yet tested it on printers but it appears to produce very consistent screen calibrations on quite a range of different displays (iMac, Macbook Pro (LED and non-LED), HP laptop s-ips screen, as well as Samsung, Apple Cinema and Apple LED Cinema displays. Lightroom screen color balances all look the same after profiling, independent of the screen being used.
Could be worth considering to make your profiling task less of a pain.
DN

Color Profiles and Printing

Hi all, First timer here so please be gentle!
I have recently purchased LR3 (I know!) and having trouble printing from there.
I have a Spyder Express calibarted monitor and as instructed both in LR Help and elsewhere on the net, I select the color profile of my printer and paper (Canon MP990 with Plus Glossy II) from within LR and ensure color management is set to "None" within the printer driver. When doing this (with both Relative and Perceptual Rendering) I experience slight out of shift colors when printing. I understand I might expect this as the printer can never match what I see on screen 100% but here's the rub....When turning off the screen calibration profile using the Spyder utility on the toolbar, the colors displayed are near exact what I'm seeing on my prints. Also, I have been experimenting with many different options and when I select "Managed by printer" within LR, and then "Driver" Color Management within the printer driver I once again get near perfect match to what I see on screen using the claibrated monitor profile!??
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Apologies if this is not LR specific (guess could be a problem with Win, Canon or Monitor profile rather than LR) but my Google search led me here and there appears to be a wealth of expertise available here on such matters!

i once had to print on a epson P50 printer from my sister because my own printer was send in for service.
i have a full color managed system from monitor, scanner to printer.
but i have never managed to get good results with the P50 when i selected that photoshop should do the color handling.
the prints with the printer driver doing the color handling looked much better then the photoshop managed prints.
there are some ICC profiles for epson paper coming with the P50 and of course i used them (i was printing on epson premium semigloss) ..... but it did not help a bit.
and yes i know about disabling color management in the printer driver when PS does the color handling.
trust me.. there was no double color handling.
after some testprints i found out that i have to set the color handling to "printer driver" and change the color adjustment to "Adobe RGB" and "Gamma 1.8" in the printer driver.
that way the P50 produced good looking prints. not 100% perfect but much closer to my calibrated monitor display (i use a dtp94 for profiling).
that will not help you with your canon printer.. thought.. but i just want to tell you...your are not alone.
that said my Epson R2880 prints PERFECT when photoshop does the CM and i would never let the printer driver do the color handling on this printer.
i guess some printers are just not working well when photoshop (or lightroom) does the color handling.
especially cheap consumer models.
a friend had an epson R200 and complained about the same issues i had with the P50.
he always had to fiddled around in PS to adjust the images for printing and i don´t mean subtle changes.
i gave him my settings and his prints looked better, immediately with no need for PS adjustments.
i know that is against everything you might have read in books or heard in tutorial videos about printing. i wondered too and that was why i have done a few dozend testprints with the P50, trying all the different settings.
they always say that you have to let photoshop do the color handling... (and i can say it´s true for the R2880 or R3880)... but my experience with cheap epson models (R200, P50) tell another story.

Picture color profile in Lightroom vs Photoshop CS2 editing

Hi all, I hope someone can solve this for me.
When I'm viewing picture in Light room, all my pictures are a bit warmer ( have a yellowish tint to them ) compared to when I view them in Photoshop CS2. The same is true if I view them in other programs. This is true for all my picture file type (jpg, tif or raw). I get the feeling that it's Light room that in the wrong in how it displays the picture and not the other programs. Using the warms tool to make the picture a bit colder, only adds a bluish tint to the image which isn't even close to what it looks like (unedited) in Photoshop.
I get the feeling that Lightroom does something to the picture, or uses some sort of color profile, driver that other programs don't use.
Is there a way of changing this?

>When I purchase these ADOBE products I expect them to JUST WORK!!!!!
Unfortunately, when Microsoft, Dell and others enter the fray it's no longer up to just the Adobe folks. Differences between Photoshop and Lightroom are almost always due to a corrupt monitor profile. Adobe has nothing to do with that.
>I dont wanna have to be worried about corrupt profiles yada yada yada!!!
I just want to be able to do my color correction and exposure corrections in Lightroom export as a High Res Jpeg and then do the remainder of my work in Photoshop and have them both look the same.
If your screen is correctly calibrated that will be the case. Unfortunately if you want to do color sensitive work on a computer with a typical monitor, you have to have a rudimentary understanding of profiles and color management. There is unfortunately no way around it. This is no different from traditional color photography where you have to understand what different film, different filters and different development do to your colors. The terminology is just different.
>How do I fix this and please go through it STEP BY STEP BY STEP!!!!
I am not one for the computer lingo....
OK. I'll assume first that you have no hardware calibrator and that you are on windows:
1. Make sure your Photoshop color settings are set up to respect embedded profiles. See the
first screenshot in this post(ignore everything else as it is no longer relevant in LR 2).
2. Open your monitor's properties panel, click on advanced and go to the color management tab. Delete any profile you see there. This is the culprit. Probably a bad profile got installed in some driver update for your graphics card or your monitor.
3. Restart Lightroom and Photoshop and that's it! You'll have corresponding colors. You are however, cheating yourself as your monitor is completely uncalibrated. This is how 99% of computer users run their monitors.
So here is what you should be doing if you care about your color and matching to print and making sure that others see the same colors. Even though hardly anybody calibrates, the only way to get a good average correspondence is to calibrate your monitor and use color managed apps. This sequence is valid for both macs and PCs
1. Do as above step one and make sure Photoshop is set up correctly and then go out and buy a hardware calibrator (or order online). They can be had for <$100 for pretty good ones. Look for example for Spyder2 and Huey Pro.
2. Calibrate your screen following the instructions from the software
3. Restart Lightroom and Photoshop. Now you'll have identical but correct color.
If you have a mac, you can cheat slightly and use http://www.computer-darkroom.com/colorsync-display/colorsync_1.htm instead of hardware calibration. You cannot expect very good correspondence between monitor and prints though with that method.

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