Color settings and printing

I have created a custom monitor profile and use this to optimise the results from my printer. If I am sending my photos else where to print or emailing them, should I use this profile or the default sRGB profile or is the AdobeRBG even better.
Thanks

Your custom monitor profile is only used for display purposes not printing.
Monitor Profiles and Printer Profiles are independent of each other.
When printing you need to use a Printer Profile that matches the printer and paper. If you are sending your images out then you should check with the print shop. Typically they will expect images in sRGB.
Colin

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Have you checked the ink cartridges and made sure the nozzles are clear? Are you able to print from outside of iPhoto with the correct color?
Try the following: make temporary copy of the library and do the following:
1 - delete the iPhoto preference file, com.apple.iPhoto.plist, that resides in your
User/Home()/Library/ Preferences folder.
2 - delete iPhoto's cache file, Cache.db, that is located in your
User/Home()/Library/Caches/com.apple.iPhoto folder.
3 - launch iPhoto and try again.
NOTE: If you're moved your library from its default location in your Home/Pictures folder you will have to point iPhoto to its new location when you next open iPhoto by holding down the Option key when launching iPhoto. You'll also have to reset the iPhoto's various preferences.
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I understand AAMEE 3.0 does not support packaging settings alltogether with the apps.
So the questions comes, how do you guys push the color settings and the workspaces to the newly deployed CS6 packages?
Is there a safe/approved way to do it?
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FOGRA39 is fine for sheet fed offset-printing in Europe (central Europe at least).
For web fed offset printed magazines you may want to use either ISO Coated v2 300 (ECI) or PSO LWC Improved (ECI) if you have no further information.
And for newspapers ISOnewpaper26v4.
http://www.eci.org/doku.php?id=en:downloads
You may want to read up (in the Help or other resources) on Color Management, though, to get a grasp on factors like Render Intent.
And better not use »Assign Profile« unless you are certain you understand what this does.
Will be printed CMYK image as well, as it looks?
That would naturally depend on your monitor and how regularly it is calibrated.

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I have to preface this with saying that I am a recent convert from Nikon Capture/Photoshop/PC world to the 2.8 24" iMac. I shoot entirely Nikon raw (NEF) and typically just tweak white balance, exposure, and color settings in post processing.
With that said... I have been trying to define my new workflow and have decided iPhoto isn't doing it, so I switched over to Aperture. I really like the app, but am having serious issues tuning the color in the images; specifically, I tweak them on the imac and they look beautiful, but typically look too "light" and nowhere near as brilliant on any other computer. I have calibrated the display with OS X built-in color tool (through Display... Colors), but am way to amateur to go and buy a real calibration tool.
Is this something stupid that I am (or am not) doing? Whatever I am missing is driving me nuts as the pictures just aren't as good as they used to be on the PC...
tia,
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First, it's absolutely impossible to accurately profile a display without a hardware calibrator. The eyeball, in its adjustability, is also your biggest enemy. If you ever intend to print (or send your photos to a lab to get prints), then doing this without hardware calibration will be a waste of your money.
That said, if the images are looking flat (and not-so-contrasty) on your Mac, check the gamma setting. You want 2.2 gamma rather than the default 1.8 "Mac" gamma. The latter is an anachronism and should not be used unless you specifically have a need for it dating from the 1980's in the print industry

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We are migrating from CS3 to CS5, and i'm working on getting the printing right.
We are on MacPro towers, 10.6.6, with LaCie LCD Monitors and an Epson 2200. Calibration on monitors and printer done by EyeOne Pro and Profilemaker Pro.
Printing: In CS3, creating the profile was done by printing the appropriate Eye One testchart. It gets opened with 'no color management', and is printed out with 'no color management'. This way, the testfile is being printed as the printer prints, with no tweaks. The color adjustment controls (brightness, saturation, cyan, magenta, etc) within the Epson driver are set to Zero. Then, this print is scanned in, using the Eye One, and you get the profile of the printer.
Now, when printing actual files, 'Photoshop Manages Colors' is utilized, and the created Profile from Eye One is selected.
We have had great luck with this, matching screen to print. If a slight tweak is needed, then we could use the Epson color adjustment controls to modify slightly.
Again, we've had great prints consistently for years using this method.
Now comes CS5...
Printing. Trying to use our existing profile...
When 'Photoshop Manages Colors' and the Profile are selected, now the Epson color adjustment controls are greyed out. So, we lose out on the 'tweaking' possibilities. I'm a fan of profiles, but now i have absolutely no control after the fact.
Trying to create a new profile....
'No Color Management' is not longer available as an option in 'Color Handling'. So, now i can't even print out the baseline testchart without adding some sort of profile to it? If i would choose 'Printer Manages Color' for this testpage, I would normally set the Epson Color Adjustments to Zero to get this baseline print for profiling. But now, If I would do that, it's only going to be greyed out when i go back in and let Photoshop manage the colors. Sheesh...
To make matters worse...
I pull up the same testchart in CS3 AND CS5. We are on a calibrated monitor, using North American Prepress presets on both programs. Same monitor, same color settings, same file. AND the testchart looks different in each program. Similar, but definite differences in shades. Eyedropper readings are the same for both programs.
So, CS5 is even rendering color differently on screen, and i have little or no way to create my custom profile or control my printer? Sheesh....
Any help or direction is appreciated.
Rich

thanks for the input.
I will look at the links you recommended. When 'Compensate for Scene-Referred Profiles' is unchecked in CS5, the monitors match. I'll need to do some research to see that that 'compensation' is, and what's happening.
As for the 'not considered a good color managed workflow'...
That's fine. But I would consider a good managed workflow using a calibrated monitor, and using a profile that matches the printer and substrate being used, right? When i plug in the canned printer profile in CS5, i get unsatisfactory results. With that 'correct' workflow, there is no way to modify what is ending up on the printed page. You get what you get.
Even if i back up to CS3, create a custom profile with the Eye One, run Colorsync/Profile all the way through, and eliminate the Epson Color Adjustments, I'm still obeying a 'correct' workflow, but what if my prints are slightly too Cyan? Or slightly too open/light? (granted, Profilemaker Pro does have a profile 'editor', but it's convoluted and extremely difficult to use. I've never gotten good results with it.)
If you have no way to do small adjustments at the back end on the printer, and it's been 'profiled' correctly, and the prints don't match calibrated screen with proper color spaces....
uh....then what do you do? which one is right? The screen or the printer?
I've had hundreds of images over the years go from screen to client (or press if we were controlling the print phase of the job), which then got printed, and have had basically 'zero' client issues with color. We have great color here on screen, from capture into post production.
But when my client wants a proof, in house, they want to see what they've been seeing all day in the studio and in post. How am I supposed to adjust my prints if a 'proper color managed workflow' isn't giving me matching proofs?
I sincerely appreciate the input here. I'm just frustrated, because even if my 'workflow' isn't technically correct, it's not without merits and I've had excellent consistent results that just 'worked'. Now, i've got to find a new method within CS5.

Color Profiles and Printing

Hi all, First timer here so please be gentle!
I have recently purchased LR3 (I know!) and having trouble printing from there.
I have a Spyder Express calibarted monitor and as instructed both in LR Help and elsewhere on the net, I select the color profile of my printer and paper (Canon MP990 with Plus Glossy II) from within LR and ensure color management is set to "None" within the printer driver. When doing this (with both Relative and Perceptual Rendering) I experience slight out of shift colors when printing. I understand I might expect this as the printer can never match what I see on screen 100% but here's the rub....When turning off the screen calibration profile using the Spyder utility on the toolbar, the colors displayed are near exact what I'm seeing on my prints. Also, I have been experimenting with many different options and when I select "Managed by printer" within LR, and then "Driver" Color Management within the printer driver I once again get near perfect match to what I see on screen using the claibrated monitor profile!??
I know this means I can just do one of the above to get prints matching what I see on screen but I also like to publish pics on the net and send some away for printing so how can I be sure which (if any) of my "workarounds" are valid or if there is some underlying problem somewhere which means that when following the instructions of LR, Canon, Windows and many internet guides, my prints do not match my calibrated monitor profile? And why is it that selecting "Pinter Managed" with "Driver" OR truning of my screen calibration and using the stated instructions result in better color rendition?
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i once had to print on a epson P50 printer from my sister because my own printer was send in for service.
i have a full color managed system from monitor, scanner to printer.
but i have never managed to get good results with the P50 when i selected that photoshop should do the color handling.
the prints with the printer driver doing the color handling looked much better then the photoshop managed prints.
there are some ICC profiles for epson paper coming with the P50 and of course i used them (i was printing on epson premium semigloss) ..... but it did not help a bit.
and yes i know about disabling color management in the printer driver when PS does the color handling.
trust me.. there was no double color handling.
after some testprints i found out that i have to set the color handling to "printer driver" and change the color adjustment to "Adobe RGB" and "Gamma 1.8" in the printer driver.
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that will not help you with your canon printer.. thought.. but i just want to tell you...your are not alone.
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especially cheap consumer models.
a friend had an epson R200 and complained about the same issues i had with the P50.
he always had to fiddled around in PS to adjust the images for printing and i don´t mean subtle changes.
i gave him my settings and his prints looked better, immediately with no need for PS adjustments.
i know that is against everything you might have read in books or heard in tutorial videos about printing. i wondered too and that was why i have done a few dozend testprints with the P50, trying all the different settings.
they always say that you have to let photoshop do the color handling... (and i can say it´s true for the R2880 or R3880)... but my experience with cheap epson models (R200, P50) tell another story.

COLOR SETTINGS AND PROFILES

Hello
What color settings, profiles and configurations are suitable for print publications in Europe?
How do I set my Photoshop CS5 (Windows) to print quality?
thank you very much
Post my configuration, and an image RGB and CMYK another.
Will be printed CMYK image as well, as it looks?
thanks¡
RGB CMYK

FOGRA39 is fine for sheet fed offset-printing in Europe (central Europe at least).
For web fed offset printed magazines you may want to use either ISO Coated v2 300 (ECI) or PSO LWC Improved (ECI) if you have no further information.
And for newspapers ISOnewpaper26v4.
http://www.eci.org/doku.php?id=en:downloads
You may want to read up (in the Help or other resources) on Color Management, though, to get a grasp on factors like Render Intent.
And better not use »Assign Profile« unless you are certain you understand what this does.
Will be printed CMYK image as well, as it looks?
That would naturally depend on your monitor and how regularly it is calibrated.

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Regardless of which settings I choose for my printer, Acrobat always prints in maximum quality.
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To reiterate, every other app I use respects the Epson printer dialog settings when it comes to printing in economy mode. I've looked around in Acrobat's print settings and can find absolutely nothing along the lines of "print in draft quality." Am I the only person who doesn't want, or need, to burn up expensive printer cartridges unnecessarily?
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Understood. I've already checked for driver updates, and am already using the most current version. I really appreciate your trying to help, ... let's hope someone out there has some suggestions, too.
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Permanately Saving Color Settings and Profile in Photoshop CS2

Hello,
We have Photoshop CS2 for Windows and Photoshop CS2 for Mac. I have custom color setting .csf files and .icc profile we want to load in Photoshop permanently. If I use the load option in Photoshop it appears the color settings will load these settings temporarily. If I choose another color setting and go back to the custom settings, I will have to reload the settings again.
Is there a way to permanately have the color settings permanately appear in the list without having to load by using options in the Photoshop menu?
Now I know if I manually drop the .csf or .icc file in the below folders located in the below path, the settings will permanately appear i, but I don't know if there is an easier way using the menus within Photoshop to permanatly load these or do we have to manually install these files to get this done. Trying to give out directions on how to do this would like to know if there is an easier way.
On Windows:
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Best color settings for printer

I'm creating a newsletter for a group my organization works with. They want to include tons of pictures which I am editing in Photoshop CS4.
We have a toshbia printer/ copier in our office that runs on CMYK. I converted all the images to CMYK (SWOP) hoping they would print more clearly. However, the colors are seriously off and all the images come out incredibly blurry. Everything else is printing very crisp. Is this a color issue or a printer issue? Anyone know how I can get better quality with correct colors?
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What makes you think this is a CMYK printer? Is it driven by a Postscript RIP?
Even though they all use CMYK toners or inks, non-Postscript printers and copiers are considered RGB devices and expect to receive RGB data, which they convert internally using their own conversion tables. If you send CMYK to such printers it gets converted back to RGB and then to CMYK a second time.
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This question has come up numerous times, but I still haven't seen a satisfying, final answer. I would like to make sure that what I'm designing in Photoshop in regards to colors, saturation and brightness will be as close as possible as what I'm going to see in my Safari browser once that same page has been developed.
I understand there are going to be differences between monitors and browsers, but if I just could get an almost one to one translation in regards to color/saturation/brightness from my Photoshop file to that same developed HTML page in Safari that would be ideal.
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if AdobeRGB is the more professional working space, then why not use that profile?
on the web (and in unmanaged and broken work flows) sRGB is the safest profile (source space)
just open your tagged Adobe RGB and tagged ProPhoto RGB document (use the embedded profile in each document)
and go to View> Proof Setup: Monitor RGB (notice the loss in saturation? that's how most of the people on the Internet will be viewing your color, assuming you have a standard-gamut monitor like most people)
always CONVERT to sRGB for the World Wide Web
i didn't read your link
anyone who recommends "disable color management in Photoshop" -- set Working RGB to "Monitor RGB" -- AND MOST UNBELIEVABLY -- "Don't color manage this document" (ignore embedded profiles) ------ is pretty mixed up (in my opinion)
i will recommend reading JEFF SCHEWE and BRUCE FRASER for professional color management information

May i know the right photoshop cs6 color settings to print black and white?

hi
in photoshop cs6 64bit under windows 7 sp1 64bit i got
gray Dot gain 15%
spot Dot gain 15%
i did a clean install of photoshop cs6 , i guess they are the dafault
may i know if they are the right settings ? i print with my printer and in a lab with an epson printer
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Ask the lab but I'd be shocked if they asked you for a grayscale document, assuming this Epson is for output of photographic images
they work with psd files and jpg
(but the when i save a photo edited with for example an adjustament layer(black&white) photoshop convert it in a grayscale image ,isn't it?
but photoshop should warns about mismatch profile ,should it? or does it work only with color space
Dot gain would account for whatever dot gain you're aiming for on the press, so you'd have to ask.
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. but may i ask a question?
because i guess i'm confused now
Gray and Spot settings are related only to convert from rgb to mode grayscale
or these settings influence what i see in the monitor when for example i add a black and white adjustament layer?
by the way gray and spot set both at dot gain 20% , are the dafault?
thanks

Issue with Color Management and Print Module

The is a repost per request from a comment on Julieanne Kost's blog...
Having sticky output settings can be useful but now that LR has a color managed workflow, it introduces some problems. For example, if a Proof Copy is created and edited to a particular profile, then that copy is taken into the Print Module, if the output profile that has “stuck” from the previous job does not match you have a problem. It would be nice if the behavior for proof copies would be to automatically match the editing profile or at least warn of a mismatch. And while it is nice to be able to create a Saved Print with all the output parameters, it would be helpful to be able to create saved sets of “Print Job” settings assuming that they will be consistent for a particular printer/ink/paper combination (and whatever “Print Adjustment” you have found to your liking) then easily applied to any image being prepared for output. Perhaps a “save setting” selection under the “Print to:” menu.

So what you propose is the templates are proof copy sensitive and if they are setup for profile A but the proof copy describes profile B, then everything but the template defined profile is honored? I could get behind that idea (but what if one selects multiple VC’s with differing profiles and goes into Print?).
That's pretty much it. It does get complicated quickly as you look at multiple VCs or (and I think we need to start making the distinction between proof copies and ordinary virtual copies) if you bring a mixture of PCs and VCs into the print module. I would suggest that the default behavior be to set output profile of the PC as defined in the PC and retain the "sticky" behavior for ordinary VCs.
I also think that having the ability to save a "Print Copy" may change what we need out of the templates and perhaps their overall function should be re-evaluated.
The VC name should show you the profile used for soft proofing if you have the overlay on. That helps too. My concern are those who work with these VC’s and the text overlay is off.
I'm not getting that behavior. The only place the copy name shows up in the print module is in the filmstrip header. Maybe I have a preference set wrong somewhere... Still, I'd rather the software take care of making the match rather than having to double check to make sure I haven't inadvertently changed the profile somehow (i.e. clicking on a template just to see how it would look on another size paper).

Camera Settings and Printing -off topic

Hi Everyone;
My teenage cousin is going on a trip to Europe for a few weeks and she will be taking alot of digital pictures with her Canon point & shoot camera ( 5 MP SD30), but will not be able to unload her images from the SD card. She already has Three Cards totaling 1.5 GBs and does not want to buy more.
So in order to increase the number images the card will hold, do you recommend lowering the resolution OR lowering the image quality by increasing the JPEG compression in the camera settings, for the purposes of printing ? ( obviously not all her images, but she may want to have some for her school yearbook, friends etc ).
This is a question I have asked myself with my own digital cameras, over the years, if i have to shoot JPEG i usually have the settings to MAX resolution and Lowest compression, in case i want to print some.
Also what would you recommend as the lowest resolution setting (in general, with any camera) if you want to print the following sizes?
4 X 6
5 X 7
8 X 10 or US Letter
Thanks in advance, and i realize this is a little off topic.
Robert
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You could purchase an iPod along with the iPod Photo Connector to download the images for storage.
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/70203/wo/oG40TPj AzNzm2xaoa3A25wLSBVg/2.SLID?mco=55EFC253&nplm=M9861G%2FA
Epson also makes two such a devices.
http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/consumer/consDetail.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&oi d=49164278
http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/consumer/consDetail.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&oi d=61555441
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A question about monitor settings and printing?

I have a new PC with an HD monitor, it didn't come with an HDMI cable, but a VGA one, I recently got the HDMI and I noticed that comparatively when using the VGA cable & using the default monitor settings that the darks were darker than when using the HDMI with default settings, (the colour depth looked best with the VGA) I'm using PE9 and need to make an image to have printed at the printers, I would love to use the HDMI cable, but I'm concerned that if I do (and I change the monitors default settings for contrast, hue...etc to compensate) that... it will have been edited here one way and look totally different on the print shops monitor...
... So, how can I be sure it will come back from the printers looking the same as I had edited it?
Should I give up with the HDMI cable? I also have PrE 9 for video editing, so I'm a bit confused at to what is best to do...
Thanks.

There are no free calibration tools. Like most things you get what you pay for. However, the low end versions are quite good, so take a look at the Xrite Huey.
This will get your display calibrated which ensures you see the best rendering of the image on screen. It does not guarantee good print matching since this also requires a print colour managed process and good viewing conditions.
Colour settings in Elements are mis-leading. They apply to new documents being created in Elements or to images being opened that don't contain a colour profile. Virtually all JPEG images from cameras will have a profile tagged in them. So choose any setting but not the one that says 'No Colour Management'. The best default in my opinion is 'Optimise for Screen'
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