Concurrent Manager not starting after patching/ cloning

Hi,
We have an issue where after cloning and/or patching an environment the concurrent manager doesn't start. Our steps to resolve this problem have thus far been as follows:
1. Apply 3830807
2. Run autoconfig
3. Run cmclean.sql on environment
4. Check the libc* files in 8.0.6 ORACLE_HOME/lib/stubs
We had an instance after a patch was applied where the conc mgr did not start and we applied all of the above, in that order. No success. We then decided to apply the 3830807 patch again and run autoconfig- basically re- run steps 1 and 2. Success. In another instance, running the cmclean.sql resolved the error. In some instances, simply shutting down the application and DB and restarting will be enough.
Our problem is that the resolution to this error always seems random. What may work in one instance almost never works in another. Additionally, the problem has started since we've applied ATG RUP 6 to our LIVE environment and our clones. Coincidence?
We have logged an SR but I feel like we're being spun in circles- I'm not getting a direct answer or resolution path from them.
If someone could provide some guidance on a proper resolution path for this conc mgr issue I would very much appreciate it.
Thanks,
Lia.

Basically the approach we're now taking (and that's working) is that after applying a patch, or set of patches, we apply patch 3830807 and then run autoconfig on the db and apps tier. We then shut down the application (if not already down) and the database and then bring everything back up.
Thanks to all for their assistance.
Lia.

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