CO-PA Activate Account-based

Can we activate Account-based CO-PA on an existing operating concern with costing-based postings already used or does a new operating concern with both costing and account based options checked need to be created?

HI,
Yes, you can. Check this link for more details:
COPA Account Based copa
Hope this helps.

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To activate costing based COPA while Account basedCOPA activated previously

Dear all,
I have a client which currently using Account-based COPA which activated 5 years ago. Due to requirement to analyse production variance by variance categories, costing-based COPA needs to be activated.
Can anyone tell me whether is it possible to activate costing-based COPA in a system which have Account based COPA activated 5 years ago. If yes, is there any guiding SAP notes on doing this. As I would like to know the impact of such activations
Thanks & regards,
-Alice-

Dear,
You can activate costing based COPA, for this use KEA0 and select your operating concern and select costing based COPA.
Then normal steps are required to be maintained like characteristic and value fields creation and all. Please refer the documents available online.
Regards,
Chintan Joshi.

Activating Account based Copa in the existing Cost-based COPA

Hi Sap CO gurus!
Please advise me for the following issue.
Presently, My client using Cost-based COPA for segment wise reporting.( Already activated).
Now they wanted the reports in Account Based. Is it possible to activate the Account based now? Will the system allow us to activate or not?
If yes, What will be the implications? I want to know the pros and cons for that.
If not, How Can I edit the COPA settings( Operating concern)? Or shall I delete the Operating concern and create one new one?
Can you please explain the impact of each situation?
Thanks a lot in advance
Rama

Hi Joe
You can deactivate Account Based COPA, but you will have to do a thorough testing so that you are aware of the issues that can crop up
The IMG Menu is SPRO > Controlling > Prof Analysis
You will have to do a testing of how the open sales orders would behave... The open sales orders mean Sales Orders where PGI has been done, but billing is pending AS WELL AS Sales orders which are just created, but no Logistics movement (PGI) has taken place... You will have to do testing on both types of sales orders
- When you do PGI after deactivating the account based COPA, you may face error. Because, COGS GL account is a cost element in Account based COPA, where as in Costing based COPA, it is usually not a Cost Element
- Also do a billing from an open sales order and see if you get any error there...
Similar issue can arise during variance settlement also, because the variance account is not a cost ele in Costing Based COPA.
Test out the above scenarios and do share your experiences
Regards
Ajay M

Reconcile Accounts Based COPA with FI

Dear Experts,
My client needs material wise, customer wise, Sales Area-wise, region wise etc profitability report. The only way to achieve this is through COPA.I have confusion whether to go for Costing based COPA (CBC) or Accounts based COPA (ABC).
I am afraid of CBC because reports from CBC do not automatically reconcile with FI and I will have a life long task of explaining the difference to management. I have seen clients scarpping CBC because at the end CBC works on calculated values which cannot inherently tally with FI and soon management stops trusting CBC. Moreover Gross Profit level figures for each characteristics can be obtained straight from LIS instead of going for CBC.
I am sure that ABC will reconcile with FI. I presume that this will happen ONLY if field status group of all cost and revenue accounts have been configured to mandate posting to PSG. Else even ABC will not reconicle with FI. My question is If I mandate PSG for all cost/revenue posting then I fear that automatic postings coming from MM/HR will go into error. How do we handle this and achieve ABC = FI.
If anyone has come across ABC to FI reconcilation error/issues I would like take their guidance before I move forward.
Regards
Deepak Saxena

Hi..!
You can use either activate Costing Based CO PA nor Accounting Based CO PA.
1.Costing based CO-PA - it will be difficult to reconcile FI with CO PA as lot of time it will take to reconcile.
For this you need to do assessment - settlements and direct postings from FI-MM-SD to CO PA thru PA transfer structure.
You can find the Differences of FI -CO PA in KEAT t-code and based on the you can understand why it is showing difference (If any). This T-code will help you to reconcile.
2.Accounting Based CO-PA it is easy to reconcile and here the reconciliation happens between GL Account and Cost element level. So you wont get many issues while reconciling.
In Costing based CO-PA you can draw a report at COGS Level where as you wont get it in Account Based CO-PA.
Thanks,
Anil

COPA Costed and Account based

Hi Experts,
I have running In BW, PA Costed based, and now I need activate PA accounted based extractor.
a) does somebody have any doc or how-to papers, specific about COPA Accounted?
b) can will appear any issue or problem about my current PA costed based loads?
c) how can I see with pa model (costed or account based) is running in the R/3 instalation?
Thank you in adavance!

Hi,
Costing-based Profitability Analysis is the form of profitability analysis that groups costs and revenues according to value fields and costing-based valuation approaches, both of which you can define yourself. It guarantees you access at all times to a complete, short-term profitability report.
Account-based Profitability Analysis is a form of profitability analysis organized in accounts and using an account-based valuation approach. The distinguishing characteristic of this form is its use of cost and revenue elements. It provides you with a profitability report that is permanently reconciled with financial accounting
Hope this helps
Regards,
Aparna

Characterstics Assignment in Accounting Based COPA Config.

HI,
How to give Characterstics in Accounting Based COPA Config. and what is the TCode....
regards
JK

Hi
It is strongly recommended, however, that you do not activate both types of CO-PA. The
major reason being is that you will have significant table size impacts. You must be careful
with account based CO-PA as this creates additional line items in the existing CO tables of
COEP (actual), COEJ (plan), COSP & COSS (summary records). Hence if you want to do any
cost center reporting, say, from any of these existing tables you will run the risk that
performance will be degraded by these additional and unnecessary records.
The only advantage of account based over costing based CO-PA is it's ability to
automatically reconcile back to FI, in much the same manner as you would reconcile
cost center accounting back to FI. However you don't have the flexibility in account
based CO-PA to perform valuations using product cost estimates etc. as you do in
costing based CO-PA. If the reason you were advised to turn on account based CO-PA
as well as costing based was to facilitate reconciliation, it is suggested that you look
at alternatives that won't have the same negative impacts that turning on account
based would have. In addition to the serious table space issues, it is not that easy to
turn on and off account based at will (especially in production).
Instead what you should look at doing is creating a series of reports that enable you to
reconcile costing based CO-PA back to CCA/PCA and FI, if this is required. The complexity
of the costing based functionality you have used will determine the complexity of the
reports that will be needed to reconcile back, but it can be done without turning on
account based CO-PA.
Regards

Costing-accounting based COPA then back to costing COPA

Dear all,
I would like asking about costing based-accounting based Profitablity Analysis.
In case, I used and activate both costing based and accounting based profitability analysis. Could i back only use costing based again, even the both copa document already posted?
I am worried if system avoid untick the indicator of accounting based and back to active flag=2. It is important i ask in this forum because we only have 1 server for development and sandbox.
Best regards,
Dewi

Hi Dewi
You will get message (warning):
Message no. KE107
Diagnosis
Operating concern XXXX is set up for both forms of Profitability Analysis (costing-based and account-based).
You have set an active indicator for only one form. Note that no data will be transferred to the form of Profitability Analysis that you did not activate. If this form is activated at a later point, the data posted up to that point will be missing.
You can change active flag (customizing request) any time.
Dejan

Accounting based COPA Activation

Hi Guys,
In present client Costing based COPA is in Production. As its not Reconciling with FI the management has decided to active Accounting based COPA.
So what are the steps pre req conditions i need to take and what the steps to activate the Accounting based COPA
Thanks,
Santosh

Hi,
I want you to check this [link|Re: Accounting based COPA] first and then this [link|COPA Account Based copa;. Please post back on what you feel.
Hope this helps.

Accounting based COPA

Hi co experts,
In COPA divided two ways one is costing based copa and another one is accounting based copa
I have worked in costing based copa.
My query is in which situation we can use accounting based copa and what are the settings I have do in STD SAP,
Kindly explain the total accounting based copa concept and required settings
Regards
venkataswamy

Hi
It is strongly recommended, however, that you do not activate both types of CO-PA. The
major reason being is that you will have significant table size impacts. You must be careful
with account based CO-PA as this creates additional line items in the existing CO tables of
COEP (actual), COEJ (plan), COSP & COSS (summary records). Hence if you want to do any
cost center reporting, say, from any of these existing tables you will run the risk that
performance will be degraded by these additional and unnecessary records.
The only advantage of account based over costing based CO-PA is it's ability to
automatically reconcile back to FI, in much the same manner as you would reconcile
cost center accounting back to FI. However you don't have the flexibility in account
based CO-PA to perform valuations using product cost estimates etc. as you do in
costing based CO-PA. If the reason you were advised to turn on account based CO-PA
as well as costing based was to facilitate reconciliation, it is suggested that you look
at alternatives that won't have the same negative impacts that turning on account
based would have. In addition to the serious table space issues, it is not that easy to
turn on and off account based at will (especially in production).
Instead what you should look at doing is creating a series of reports that enable you to
reconcile costing based CO-PA back to CCA/PCA and FI, if this is required. The complexity
of the costing based functionality you have used will determine the complexity of the
reports that will be needed to reconcile back, but it can be done without turning on
account based CO-PA.
Regards

KEA0 Deactivating Account-based PA

Hello SAP Guru,
Currently my COPA has both costing-based and account-based activated. I would like to deactivate account-based but I am not sure of all the steps involved other than uncheck the box for account-based in the config. Also, we are currently live with COPA, what are some of the things I should watch out for by turning off account-based in the production environment.
Thank you for your help.
HT

Kindly remove the activation in KEKE and save it without assigning the costing based COPA. Then in KEA0, select the operating concern and go to the menupath extras-settings where you will be able to remove the flag on account based COPA. Then you need to save the settings and generate the operating concern. After completing this, you may activate
the costing based copa in KEKE.
In the transaction OKKP (in the view activate components/control indicators) you have to change the customizing to Component active for costing based profitability analysis (2)
The data for the account-based CO-PA is written into the already existing CO-tables: COEP, COEJ, COSP und COSS. So there will be no impact on the tables.
Reposting existing documents ( like invoices) could be a problem since at the time of posting there was a account based COPA document. So at the time of reversal system will expect the same else will throw error KI144. This error message can be changed into an information or a warning message .Read note 98262 regarding this. This problem could also come for documents 'in process' i.e if sales order and GI has been done with account based COPA and at the time of billing it is inactive.
The cost accounting document created with account based CO-PA active is a different one than that with account based turned off. If account based isn't active the posting leaving CO-OM is put to a reconciliation object. If account based is active the same posting will go to a profitability segment for account based CO-PA. This 'trick' made the introduction of account based CO-PA possible without creating extra tables. The reconciliation object is naturally on a higher aggregation
level, so that the number sum records in CO is smaller than with account based CO-PA active.
There is a note that describes the differences between the
costing-based and the account-based Profitability Analysis types. Please review the attached note 69384.
Nevertheless please test this throughly first in your test-system before going live in production

Costing based and account based

HI All
Kindly let me know difference between costing based copa and accounting based copa with examples
Thanks & Regards
Phaneendra

Two forms of Profitability Analysis are supported: costing-based and account-based.
Costing-based Profitability Analysis is the form of profitability analysis that groups
    costs and revenues according to value fields and costing-based valuation approaches,
    both of which you can define yourself. It guarantees you access at all times to
    a complete, short-term profitability report.
Account-based Profitability Analysis is a form of profitability analysis organized in
    accounts and using an account-based valuation approach. The distinguishing
    characteristic of this form is its use of cost and revenue elements. It provides you with
    a profitability report that is permanently reconciled with financial accounting.
You can also use both of these types of CO-PA simultaneously.
(courtesy: help.sap.com)
It is strongly recommended, however, that you do not activate both types of CO-PA. The
major reason being is that you will have significant table size impacts. You must be careful
with account based CO-PA as this creates additional line items in the existing CO tables of
COEP (actual), COEJ (plan), COSP & COSS (summary records). Hence if you want to do any
cost center reporting, say, from any of these existing tables you will run the risk that
performance will be degraded by these additional and unnecessary records.
The only advantage of account based over costing based CO-PA is it's ability to
automatically reconcile back to FI, in much the same manner as you would reconcile
cost center accounting back to FI. However you don't have the flexibility in account
based CO-PA to perform valuations using product cost estimates etc. as you do in
costing based CO-PA. If the reason you were advised to turn on account based CO-PA
as well as costing based was to facilitate reconciliation, it is suggested that you look
at alternatives that won't have the same negative impacts that turning on account
based would have. In addition to the serious table space issues, it is not that easy to
turn on and off account based at will (especially in production).
Instead what you should look at doing is creating a series of reports that enable you to
reconcile costing based CO-PA back to CCA/PCA and FI, if this is required. The complexity
of the costing based functionality you have used will determine the complexity of the
reports that will be needed to reconcile back, but it can be done without turning on
account based CO-PA.

Please tell me a BAPI to get Closing balance of customer account based on Sales Organization?

Hi Experts,
A requirement has come up where I want to get Customer closing balance based on its sales organization as this particular customer is extented to 2 different sales organizations. I want to get the closing balance of individual sales organization vise.
Please tell me a BAPI to get Closing balance of customer account based on Sales Organization?

AFAIK there is no such BAPI, cause there is no database table with balance for customer per sales organisation. (No KNCx table for VKORG)
First ask functionals (*) how to recover sales organisation from a FI document (I suppose for SD invoice it is easy if no merging between organisation) will be a little tricker for pure FI document like payment transactions (hope thet are quickly cleared...) Then start from non cleared records of BSID (also BSAD if you use a past date of reference, in case you have to add the records of BSAD with clearing date greater than reference date) and cross it with SD information to break FI into sales organisation.
Regards,
Raymond
(*) Ask for where do they store VKORG in FI documents

Posting to different GR/IR account based on purchase order type

We are implementing cross company stock transport orders that require an AP invoice to be posted against the goods receipt. Our AP department does not want the GR/IR postings to go to the account used for traded AP. I cannot determine a method using OBYC to specify a different account based on purchase order type. Is there a way to do this?

Hi Jud
You should make these posting to a cost center then..The only way you can control account postings via PO type is having a account assignement category. You can make this as mandatory filed for this PO type..
Please let me know if your requirement is different..
CHeers
R K Bolla

Account-based COPA and having Cost Center as Real Object in Sales Order

Hi,
We have recently activated account-based COPA and in our SO, we realized the Profitability Segment being populated- that is not a problem in normal scenarios.
However, in some cases, we would like to charge to a cost center instead of COPA. We have tried the 2 ways mentioned in the forum/on the web to include Cost Center in Sales Order:
1. Go to OVF3 t-code and configure a default cost center for the order reason
2. Change the SD Document Category under 'Define Sales Document Types' to 'I- Order w/o charge'.
However both ways only open the Cost center field but still populates the COPA. At accounting entries, cost center will become a statistical object and COPA, the real object- which is not what we want.
Is there a way to stop the auto-populating of Profitabiltiy Segment in SO when cost center is being entered?
Thanks very much in advance for any suggestions.
Regards,
Huimin

Solved by myself, with help of OSS Note: 44381 - Profitability Segment Not Required in SD Postings. Have a CO substitution rule to clear away the Profitability Segment number based on certain conditions. Thanks!

CO-PA Account Based enhancement : BELNR-CO

Hi all,
I have successfully implemented a CO-PA ETL for both Costing and account based CO-PA in my system.
I enhanced the costing based Extraction with no major concern.
However I now wish to enhance the CO-PA Accoutn BAsed, and here I struggle , because I cannot get the controlling document number - part of COEP key - in my extract.
I need to use this controlling document number in order to conduct some logic in the extraction, but the creation of the account based datasoource in KEB0 does not provide the option to have this field as part of the extract structure ( as a sidenote, it will not be defined in KEQ3 either, as the granularity of the profitability segment would then be to fine)
... Any idea on how to collect the CO doc number in this scenario? I am missing something...
I would very much appreciate some insight from experienced CO-PA - BW community members !
Cheers
Patrick

Patrick,
The link between COSP / COSS and CE4xxxx is the objnr of the tables COSP / COSS. The first 2 positions = 'EO'. The following positions, the name of the results area and rest of the objnr relates to the PAOBJNR of table CE4xxx. In the table CE4xxxx the field KNT_FRM_KZ = '1'. This means account based CO-PA object.
For the standard extraction process you don't need to build things between these tables. The extractor knows the relationships already.
Regards,
Peter

CO-PA Activate Account-based

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