Creep problem - Phaser 7800 Booklet

Greetings,
We got a new Phaser 7800 with the finisher in school and we're having one nagging issue with it. When we try to do booklet printing, if we leave it up to the driver, it seems to insist on putting a creep which separates contiguous spreads with an obnoxious bit of white space. Here's what we've tried:
1. Print Booklet from InDesign - On our old HP 4600, this feature worked just as advertised. It printed both sides, snugged the spreads together properly and had the desired page order. The old beast just doesn't have great color quality. On the Phaser, it wantonly omits pages. On an 8 page document, facing pages with the covers on "orphaned" pages top and bottom, it will only print pages 5-8.
2. Print from InDesign and use Phasers driver for booklet settings - We can coax out a full booklet but it seems to randomly choose portrait or landscape. Usually we end up with a fully printed but micro-booklet that's half the desired page size.
3. Export to PDF and use Adobe Booklet settings - Here's where the creep "creeps" in. The driver only permits a value as low as 0 (so no negative creeping) and negative creeping in Acrobat didn't work at all. We do get all the pages in order, but we end up with the blank white bar in the center of what should be a contiguous spread.
4. Export to PDF and use Phaser's driver - Pretty much the same as above but with the occasional random flipping about of pages, missing pages and the creepy creep line.
We've tried using both the regular and postscript drivers (the latter being necessary to adjust creep manually).
I know the Phaser is a pretty popular printer so I'm hoping some of you InDesign afficianados use it to do real booket printing without having to do a bunch of page and spread gymnastics.
We've got CS6 Adobe products and Acrobat Pro X (though on a whim I did try the print from Reader with no success).
The trees we are wasting printing test booklets thank you in advance for your insight.

I'm not in the room (or in the same city) with the printer at the moment so I can't continue my test prints. But it is a thing I will investigate.
I do notice that if I use Print Booklet and choose, in the Print Settings, the Adobe PDF as the printer, I do get a pdf that has all the pages in the proper booklet order and, at least on my screen, I see no creep weirdness.
I have done test prints both with the standard driver and the PS driver for the Phaser. I usually use the PS driver, but I did try the regular one just to rule out any differences. I saw no marked change in the printed results.
We have not yet contacted Xerox. I figured I'd post here first because I'd be much more likely to find an InDesign user with a Phaser and I've gotten prompt and thoughtful help here in the past.
Message was edited by: Rayven Wolfe (spelling error)

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Above person once a week to get any infromation.It was taking hours.
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Yep **bleep** in Poland are not nice! I remember times when our tourist busses, cars and so on were robbered on your roads
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Print Booklet to PDF isn't really a recommended workflow
I've updated CS6 for the newest state, it's now ID 8.01.
There are a couple of problems, using Print Booklet for 'printing' as PDF:
a) Settings for Resolution and Compression cannot be found in InDesign dialogues.
    External settings in the 'printer' Adobe PDF are ignored.
b) Some Encapsulated PostScript components are considered as buggy, though
    Export to PDF without Print Booklet for the same pages is flawless, and furtheron
    these components themselves are correctly interpreted by other programs
    (MathType, Photoshop, PSAlter...).
This is the error log:
%%[ ProductName: Distiller ]%%
%%[Page: 1]%%
%%[Page: 2]%%
%%[ Error: typecheck; OffendingCommand: makefont ]%%
Stack:
[448.0 0.0 0.0 -448.0 0.0 0.0]
-file-
-mark-
%%[ Flushing: rest of job (to end-of-file) will be ignored ]%%
%%[ Warning: PostScript error. No PDF file produced. ] %%
Obviously, Print Booklet uses the somewhat outdated workflow via PostScript
and Distiller. This is not generally wrong (worked pretty good with PageMaker),
but here it fails.
Now a few words about IDImposer, which I had tested:
This program creates an imposed version of an InDesign file by generating one PDF
for each page. These pages should be uncompressed and not downsampled, which
is unnecessary for InBooklet SE, where we have only links to already existing
components. The new ID doc contains one PDF per page in the imposed page structure.
Therefore nothing is editable by InDesign. The following Export to PDF leads normally
to correct documents with working Links for URLs (garbled in just one case).
This is obviously not an optimal substitute for InBooklet SE.
Thanks for the discussion.
Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann

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