Decoding USB Prober output on iMac
I'm troubleshooting a USB issue with an old joystick device. I can't find explanations to the various fields in USB Prober, i.e. what are the consequences of specific values/labels. I would like to verify that this device will not work with OS Mavericks or if possible find a workaround.
The device shows up on USB Prober, but it will not show up in "Joystick and Gamepad Tester" for Mac and will not work in FG v3.0 for Mac.
The device does work under a virtual WinXP on my iMac, but the application (FG v3.0) under the virtual machine is running very slow.
I suspect the "Not Captive" could be the problem, but I would appreciate help to simply understand what the various outputs from USB Prober means for this device and what you think causes it not to work and of course if there is any way in your opnion to make it work.
From USB Prober:
Full Speed device @ 5 (0xFD130000): ............................................. Composite device: "Wingman Force"
Port Information: 0x0018
Not Captive
External Device
Connected
Enabled
Device Descriptor
Descriptor Version Number: 0x0100
Device Class: 0 (Composite)
Device Subclass: 0
Device Protocol: 0
Device MaxPacketSize: 8
Device VendorID/ProductID: 0x046D/0xC281 (Logitech Inc.)
Device Version Number: 0x0100
Number of Configurations: 1
Manufacturer String: 1 "Logitech"
Product String: 2 "Wingman Force"
Serial Number String: 0 (none)
Configuration Descriptor
Length (and contents): 32
Number of Interfaces: 1
Configuration Value: 1
Attributes: 0x40 (self-powered)
MaxPower: 0 ma
Interface #0 - Vendor-specific
Alternate Setting 0
Number of Endpoints 2
Interface Class: 255 (Vendor-specific)
Interface Subclass; 255 (Vendor-specific)
Interface Protocol: 255
Endpoint 0x82 - Interrupt Input
Address: 0x82 (IN)
Attributes: 0x03 (Interrupt no synchronization data endpoint)
Max Packet Size: 16
Polling Interval: 8 ms
Endpoint 0x01 - Interrupt Output
Address: 0x01 (OUT)
Attributes: 0x03 (Interrupt no synchronization data endpoint)
Max Packet Size: 32
Polling Interval: 4 ms
From Logitech support forum:
Re: Logitech Wingman Force & Windows 7 64-bit
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06-25-2012 11:21 AM
SO:
The Wingman Force and Formula Force are not USB HID products
They do not use the common drivers that HID products can
They are serial products that can use a special USB adapter and communicate to the PC in very nonstandard ways
Their feedback effects HAVE to be prewritten to the memory of the device and executed by calling to the memory space of the effect. Every USB Force Feecback device we made after these two devices can accept on-the-fly effects sent to them from the comptuer and do not require preloading to the hardware.
The memory of the device was quite good at the time of the build, but now and with what game developers are doing, it's very limited
To extend the life of the product, we implemented ever-more complex tricks to get the device to transparently work as long as possible, but modern game effects continued to put more demand on the hardware.
With 64-bit addressing, our tricks were completely broken. Considering the limitations of the hardware on such a fundamental level, we did not continue development. To unify the codebase, all support was taken out for both 5.x builds, and if you want to continue using this product, use LGS 4.6 on a Windows x86 machine.
Our LGS 4.6 code is not prepared for public release and I do not think we will ever release it openly.
Update: Here is more information from USB Prober IORegistry: 5: Wingman Force@fd130000 <class IOUSBDevice>
Message was edited by: renapple
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Thank you for replying Rudegar
I just got this further information from USB Prober:
bcdDevice 256 (0x100)
bDeviceClass 0 (0x0)
bDeviceProtocol 0 (0x0)
bDeviceSubClass 0 (0x0)
bMaxPacketSize0 8 (0x8)
bNumConfigurations 1 (0x1)
Bus Power Available 250 (0xfa)
Device Speed 1 (0x1)
idProduct 49793 (0xc281)
idVendor 1133 (0x46d)
iManufacturer 1 (0x1)
IOCFPlugInTypes
9dc7b780-9ec0-11d4-a54f-000a27052861 IOUSBFamily.kext/Contents/PlugIns/IOUSBLib.bundle
IOGeneralInterest IOCommand is not serializable
IOUserClientClass IOUSBDeviceUserClientV2
iProduct 2 (0x2)
iSerialNumber 0 (0x0)
locationID -49086464 (0xfd130000)
Low Power Displayed No
PortNum 3 (0x3)
Requested Power 0 (0x0)
sessionID 3548107075914 (0x1ba9714a1ba9714a)
USB Address 5 (0x5)
USB Product Name Wingman Force
USB Vendor Name Logitech
Can you explain to me what it is that makes this device unserviceable in Mac OS?
Besides the virtual machine where there is a WinXP driver there's also a driver for it in Linux. I do not know if the open source of Linux can be used for anything in this respect. Do you know anything about that?
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Port Information: 0x0018
Not Captive
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Device VendorID/ProductID: 0x046D/0xC281 (Logitech Inc.)
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Configuration Descriptor
Length (and contents): 32
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Interface #0 - Vendor-specific
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Number of Endpoints 2
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Endpoint 0x01 - Interrupt Output
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Re: Logitech Wingman Force & Windows 7 64-bit
Options
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