Editing from a two-camera shoot

I shot a classical concert with two cameras. I've imported both tapes into my project. I want to use the closest camera for the soundtrack and cut-aways and the far camera for most of the video. Can anyone advise me on the easiest way to do this? I need to import the whole of the soundtrack tape (minus top and tail). Is replacing the video with footage from the second tape whilst keeping the original audio track uninterrupted straight forward?
Thanks in advance.
Martin

Martin Crawley1 wrote:
... Is replacing the video with footage from the second tape whilst keeping the original audio track uninterrupted straight forward?
only way to acomplish your task with iM ...
but.. I assume, you stumble soon into sync problems.. due to lack of two video timelines, it is very hard to find the right 'in' in your 2nd video ..
I would really susggest investment of 200$ and some time learning into FinalCutExpress.. (ok, FCpro has 'real' multicam support, but .. FCE does it)
the two/many tracks simultanously makes it much easier...

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I have some live footage of musical performance. I have footage from two cameras and the sound off the desk that I need to sync up. Can somebody suggest the best way to do this? I had hoped I could sync the sound to both cameras, then put in which shots I chose at any given point, but I don't know if the system will do that. Any suggestions?

You want to do a multicam.
It is extremely well suited for this.
Since you don't seem to be aware of this, I recommend that you follow some good tutorials on this.
To get you started, take a look at a few videos explaining how this works; then you may want to read a bit on the manual of the software.
You may want to start with episode of 153, which explains how to put together a multicam clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKhmZbVgywk
Then follow the next episode, about cutting.

Any Tips for editing Live Event 2 camera shoot?

I need to quickly edit a 2 DV camera recording of a live multi-scene performance (duration of 90 minutes), with audio additionally recorded on a good quality remote mic.
I have used FCE for some time, but not for several months. I have managed to forget many of the lessons learnt through trial and error, as well as by reading Tom wolsky's FCE Editing Workshop! So shortcut tips would be very helpful.
I am also using FCE 3.5 for the first time after my upgrade.
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I want to make a safety copy of the synced rushes, as well as keeping the original camera sound recording as a back-up guide track.
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I am worried about making sure I am working with Master clips, so that when I edit I don't mess up any of the source material. I am a little confused.
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I would appreciate anyone with any suggestions or tips for the best edit process, and any warnings or other guidance. Speed is of essence. (ie there is no budget).
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I am considering making separate sequences for each scene (14 scenes in all of varying length and complexity). Is this advisable rather than creating one programme length sequence?
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I am considering making the audio into one mono track for simplicity, as the auditorium acoustics have "mixed up" the sound, with little stereo separation. Should I then duplicate the track to build the sound quality at the end?
Any other general Tips always welcome.
Thank you in advance. I appreciate all the unsung contributors to this group.
Freesh

I am a pretty good source for basic sound info - you can email me if you like
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you are right about the link - I am sorry - i checked the website before I typed the link in too! A blond moment
A low shelf filter - as included in FCE and soundtrack cuts the bottom off a soundmix. 20hz is a low frequency - not many speaker systems can reproduce this frequency, and most speaker systems can't even get to 40hz - even you high fi system or speakers which say they may be able too present sound for 20hz to 20khz - well unless you have spent an aweful lot of money and have a sub bass speaker the size of a car probably may only go down to 40hz, and the production of any 20hz sounds is more likely a feeling - a psychoacousticc effect. The thing about cutting off the bass is that practically it can make the recording sound less muddy, and you can make the recording sound louder. Most recordings for CD play have the bass started to roll of pretty heavily at 40hz and nothing present at 20hz... theirs this thing called narquist theory which talks about frequency responce - but it is this math heavy thing - so basically cut out a good amount of the sub bass. A low shelf filter does this and If you want to be conservative cut below 20hz, and if you want to be real give it a good cut below 35hz.
Now I was sure that their was a mac version of that monofilter that I saw on the web page - I have a PC and do most of my audio work on a PC as that is what I have used the most. If you can get the mono filter work it will make the bottom end sound much better - more natural - less clicky and perhaps abnoxious.... those of us who like trip hop are always striving to get a nice warm bass that represents itself well on a range of speakers. something smooth - it is a bit of a trick - monofilter is one of those tricks.
If you put the bass in mono (below 250hz ish) and keep the phase right speakers find it easier to work with the signal. Also stereo bass is not something that translates well on speakers... Bass tends to just flood the room where as the more mid and trebbly sounds give the audio a feeling of distance and space and left and right. The monofilter has a bass compression/limiting and phase correction built itno it, and implimented on a slider called 'trim'. Listen to your recording on good speakers and probably just bring the trim down a touch (my guess)... as complex as it sounds the monofilter is very easy to use, and is super clever. Now I thought that nugen had a mac audio unit plugin - that is a pity if they don't and kind of makes my advice seem irelevant unless you are prepared to download an application that can use VST's.
Amy
be careful using an eq as most eq's disrupt the phase of the signal and can reek havok on live recordings. but do give it a low shelf filter at least below -20 but probably below -40 to -80 for practicalitys sake
This is a bit over my head, I am afraid. Do you know a source of basic info for sound recording to help explain such things? It could be a book or an online resource?
lol, what i meant was 20hz or 40 too 80hz - their is a low shelf filter in soundtrack that works well - I am talking about cutting off the low frequency bits of the recording here. Nugen audio has a little pdf that comes out with the monofilter talking about bass signals... I know it is geared towards music and perhaps music that you want to have a nice bass feel - however it translates to the real world too - You will be suprised at how great your audio will sound if you cut off a chunk of the sub bass, and put the low bass in mono.
then you could look at exciting the signal - but that is another story....

Cutting Two Camera Shoot

A dance performance was shot by two separate cameras, and I want to lock them together after finding the same frame. Then I want to remove the inferior audio of the two, and the cut back and forth between them. I am brand-spanking new to Premiere Pro CS6 -- have only watched a few tutorials (none of which addressed my needs), but I have some experience with MS Moviemaker (yeah, go ahead and groan -- I have, too...). I know this hardly counts, but back in my younger days I wanted to go into post-production, and did some apprentice editing in NYC on old, manual Moviola and Steenbeck editing machines -- handling real 35 mm film! I'm offering that tidbit as background so you don't think I'm just playing entirely, here. I would like very much to take some courses, and become very swift at editing in Premiere Pro, so that perhaps my youthful dreams can be quasi-realized, after all! Thanks for any help, especially if it's speedy! Gigi
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This sounds great, Richard, and I'm going to try it as soon as possible (I'm upset that I can't, right now!). Only one question: Are the video tracks locked together, so that when I cut a clip away, the same frames are still in the right place -- in other words, still together? You see, since I haven't actually done any of this, I don't know what happens... I'm afraid of something separating them (like the cut-away part not remaining an empty spot, but video moving into it to fill the void). And since I've only worked with real film, my understanding of editing is that you cut both rolls of film, so that you would also trim the pieces from Video 1 where you are using Video 2. And does the finished, edited film/video show up on the Master track? I guess I had more than one question.
But I'm very grateful for what you've told me -- it sounds simpler and easier to accomplish than I thought!

With Muti-clip gone from FCP X, is there a new way to sync two cameras with FCP X

With Muti-clip gone from FCP X, is there a new way to sync two cameras with FCP X

I film with two cameras then copy the files from each camera into their own folders. I then use ClipWrap to convert the MTS files into AIC. If the recording was one long contiguous session, many cameras will split the MTS files into 2GB chunks. ClipWrap will Convert Multiple to Span to reassemble them properly. With the AIC .MOV file from ClipWrap, I then use FCP X to Import the MOV files from camera 1 and camera 2. I prefer to do it that way versus using FCP X Import from Camera. I then move the clip from camera 1 onto the timeline in the "primary storyline" (FCP X terminology). I drag the camera 2 clip above the camera 1 clip and line up the audio from the two cameras while that audio is still attached to the video so everything stays in sync. FCP X has a way to automatically sync two soundtracks, but I have not gotten around to that yet. With camera 2's clip attached to camera 1's clip as a "connected clip" above the camera 1 video, I then do an edit to go between the cameras as seems best to me. When the connected clip of camera 2 video sits above the camera 1 video, it will take priority over the camera 1 video. I then split camera 1's video clip taking out sections when I want to go back to the camera 1 view. Of course I can trim camera 2's clips until I get it the way I want it. Since FCP X uses the magnetic timeline concept, and camera 2's clip is "connected" to the camera 1 clip, as you split and trim camera 2's clip, everything will stay in sync across the two camera "tracks". When there is no camera 2 video above the camera 1 video, camera 1 video will be seen. When camera 2 video is above camera 1 video, camera 2 video will be seen instead. With a single editing pass, I can then do all the editing I need to go back and forth between two cameras. The same concept is expandable to other camera "tracks" as long as you are using vertical position in the timeline to determine which camera is seen when. If you would like for it to look like a multi-camera track composit like before FCP X, you can simply select all your clips and make a compound clip out of it. You will then see the multiple camera clips side by side in a single "track". Double click on that "clip" in that "track" to go into the structure and editing individual "tracks" around if needed. Think of a compound track as what a sequence used to do. Anyway, there may be other, and easier ways to do this, but with a single edit through my recording, I can easily and visually cycle back and forth between camera views. It's just that things are called differently now ... and, as of this time, we do not have a single button camera switching function to let us view multiple cameras simultaneously and switch between them using a keystroke for each camera. Still, I have a way to do it, and it has worked very well for me, in fact I was pleasantly surprised at how easily I could do multi-camera in post. Hope this at least gives you one option. Others may have a better way. Best wishes.
stephen

Two-camera editing via timeline?

I'v filmed a pop group and am now editing the footage. We worked with two camera's and sound was recorded separately with a digital Edirol recorder, plugged into the PA-system. That audio-clip is used as the foundation for my editing. I synchronised it on the timeline with the (uninterupted) video-footage of the A-cam (sound of which is unpatched). Now I want to overwrite some parts of the A-footage by better, more dynamic, shots from the B-cam. Is there a way to just put the footage of the B-cam on another video-track and edit from one timeline-videotrack to another? Or does the cutting of the B-cam footage have to happen in the viewer and then do an overwrite edit to the A-cam track? Putting it in the timeline and editing from there would save a lot of synchronising effort. I hope I express this question clearly enough, English not being my native language...

I'm editing in the timeline, where there are already three audio-tracks (two stereo linked to the video trakc from camera A, and 1 WAV-file from the Edirol digital audio recorder )and one video-track. I try to drag a clip (the B-camera footage) - with no in- or out-points but with sound- from the browser to a new video track. Patch panels for the existing tracks on the timeline are in the 'patched' position.
So far, I edited clips from the two camera's by three-point editing in the canvas overlay (drag to the 'overwrite' panel), but that means I have to synchronise the clip in the viewer first, which is very timeconsuming. I was thinking that, when I could put the entire B-cam clip in a separate videotrack in the timeline, I would only have to synchronise it once, and then edit parts of it into the A-cam track.
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How to edit with a second camera?

We are using one camera to record our church services. It was suggested we could get a second camera and then edit the video from the two cameras into one sequence. Since I just started to use PP CS5 to do the editing from the one camera, I am not sure how that would work. I have seen the final product that others have done, but would like a quick overview of what needs to be done in PP.
By the way, we have a AVCHD camera that saves the video to an SDHC card, so will assume we will get a similar camera for the second one. Also, we take the audio from our sound board and it goes into the camera, so is part of the recording. Should I also assume that the audio should only be recorded onto only one camera? Sorry, lots of questions - any help to get me started?

Premiere PRO can easily handle the editing of two cameras or many more and really your question as to whether to get a second camera depends on creatively what you want to do. If you are shooting someone speaking or playing a piano, having two cameras gives the ability to have one possibly shooting the person from the front, and then the second may be being farther way from the side going simultaneously. That way when you are editing you can switch between the shots from each camera angle to give some style.
To edit it is simple. Import your footage from each camera and then drop the footage from one camera into one timeline and then drag and drop the footage of the second camera into the other timeline. Whatever is in the top layer or timeline is going to be what you see, so if you want something in the lower timeline to show you will have to make sure nothing is above it. This is a very simple approach to get you going.
I'm assuming that you do not have much equipment from your question and you are just starting out. So the next step you will need to do is to synch up the sound on your clips from one camera with the other as best you can. But if you are going to be doing a lot of this, you want to do some homework and study up as you will want to have your cameras synched up with timecode and you will want to be shooting with this in mind and investing a few bucks is well worth the cost.
Good luck.

5 camera shoot

I am getting ready to shoot a roller derby bout for my sister's roller derby league. I plan on using 5 cameras. A roller derby track is a basic oval and they skate in a counter clockwise circle. I will have two cameras shoting the corners and two cameras shooting the straightaways. The 5th camera will be one I free hand for close ups and such. My question is, is there a way to layer all 5 shots so they are synched up in FCE. Then I can just pick the track I want for a certain shot and then switch when they go by to the next camera which has them in view. The main reason I want them synched up is for the audio. They will have two guys calling the bout over a PA system, but I don't have the equipment to record just their audio, so I will have to use audio from a camera. I do plan on just using on camera's audio for the whole bout, so the sound doesn't change volume as the camera changes. I just shot my son's band concert just using two cameras, and made the cardnal mistake of turning off my hand held camera when I would do something else for a few minutes, so now I am having to manualy synch them together and its A PAIN!!! I can't imagine haveig to do it with 5 tracks. My two cameras are older models, and the other three belong to the girls, so I'm not sure what types they are. I do know they all use Hi8 tapes. I can't get FCE to capture any video, so I import the tape into iMovie, and they do a drag and drop into FCE from imovie. I do have to render the audio, but it seems to be the easiest way for me to transfer my footage into FCE. So my question is, how do I synch up all my camera, or is that impossible? This is my first "real" job with multi cameras and I want to do it right and not have to take 4 months to turn out their product. Thanks for any input.

Hi(Bonjour)!
A big challenge in perspective. As you noted from your previous experience, it's very important to keep all cameras rolling along the race. If you can use a sort of clapper board signal (like a air horn shot, the start signal or a camera flash) it will be easier to synch all your material. This point can be anywhere in the clip as it is present in all clips.
Pay attention that camcorders supplied by "girls" must record in a compatible format for FCE. And use 16 bit audio for all.
Your analog Hi8 must be a problem but you can use a DV camcorder with analog in converter to output signal through firewire. To avoid pitfall, try to use 5 DV camcorders from start.
Once material captured into FCE, open each long clip in viewer and find the synch point (air horn or flash or anything else recorded on each camera). Put a marker exactly at this point. Repeat for each clips.
Put each clip on a video track in timeline and synch the markers. From this point it's better to use one audio (the better one- you can even record the audio with a digital audio recorder), so mute the other audio tracks.
Use one video track as your camera A roll, put it on V1 and lock this track.
All other clip (camera B rools) must be keep in synch,. To monitor all your 5 angles, scale all clips to a 20% scale (in motion tab) and position them in mosaïc in canvas.
You can now play the timeline and use razor blade to cut angles. Delete unwanted portions (you will be able to use those portions later with the roll tool). This is a tedious and long work, but be patient.
Once all the material will be cut, reset the scale to 100% for each clips on V1-2-3-4-5.
You will get many angle from A and B rolls with a main audio. You can mix different parts from audio as audio related to V2-3-4-5 are available but muted in timeline.
Piero, a fellow contributor on this forum, has designed a custom plugin to use 4 clips in multicamera mode, but as you use 5 cameras I think it's better to scale clip by hand.
If you can, try a test shots with 3 camera before the "J" day...
Michel Boissonneault

Timecode and mulit-camera shoot

I am new to Premiere Pro CS5. I want to do a two camera shoot and I thought the timecode would allow to sync both cameras. But it appears that the clip shows beginning at zero and does not actually show time or date. So if cameras were started at different times this is of no value for sync. I am going to do a two camera shoot at our church for a concert of piano and organ. One would be wide shots and the other closeups.
Would I have to start both cameras at the same time and let them run for the entire concert in order to be able to sync?
Thanks for any comments or suggestions.

You definitely made the right choice with the H4n - it's what I use. Pair it up with a Rode NT4 stereo mic and you get 4 tracks of sonic perfection.
If recording in a church, be careful of natural reverberation. Place mics close to the sources and you get a nice balance of ambience and dry source sound.
In terms of syncing visually, again be prepared for the large reverberant ambience of a church because if you are using a visual cue to line up both cameras the attack portion of the your visual cue (a clap for example) can get swamped in reverb. What I tend to do is walk in front the site of both cameras whilst they're running and snap a clothes peg together. This gives a quick click and allows me to line up multi cameraS.
Good luck

Can I edit from two camera angles?

Hello
I'm an iMovie lover struggling with Final Cut Express! I want to use two camera's to shoot some interviews, is there an easy way to edit these two pieces of the same footage (different angles) in Final Cut Express?
Cheers
Derek

Hi
Yes - but not as easy as in FinalCut Pro (old one e.g. 6) where there is a multicamera function.
If FCE - I do
• Put Camera one on Video Track one in TimeLine
• Put Camera two on Video Track two
• Select track one clip
- by double click it and then in Viewer turn on Image + Wireframe and
- resize it to 50% and
- move it to a corner e.g. top left one.
• Same with track two - but up to the right
• Now move one track so that it synchronize with the other one. You can use the audio Wave-form to do this - I use a flash-light from a Camera to get one white frame on both cameras to set them exactly right.
• Now by changing the transparency of the track two (pen tool and set to show transp.-line) one can select what Camera to view.
• When all's done - Just scale back and center picture
And Done
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Editing a movie with video from two camera angles

I made video of the home birth of our third child using a miniDV and a Nisis DV6 camera. The DV6 has very lousy sound, but some of the DV6 video was critical to use for a period of time. I imported the overlapping clips, exported the audio on both, muted the DV6 audio, then moved the audio from the miniDV clip so it lined up with the DV6 audio. With a little more fading in/out on the audio from the two tracks I seemlessly/gracefully switch camera angles and preserved good audio.
I have a comment (a wishlist item) and a question. I wish I would have had the ability to take the two overlapping video clips, line up the audio waveforms and at the same time overlap the video clips on the timeline. I wish I could have then played both clips at the same time with the ability to switch between the two camera angles. I would take the ability to view both camera angles without the ability to switch between camera angles in real time, but then I'd wish I had the ability to specify which clip to use at any point in the timeline rather than having to manually insert the video from one camera angle or the other the other then insert a transition. Does any Apple-compatible video editing software thats provide some or all of the capability I desire? If Apple software developers are out there I hope you think this might be another great innovation.

As David and Karsten said: FinalCut Express is really the software, you are looking for. I have only worked with it twice (unfortunately I am still waiting for my - first - Mac now for two weeks, so as a Win-user I had no chance to have a more intensive look on FCE). But it is a great program.
What David said about the learning: It is quite easy. I have learned digital video editing on Adobe Premiere and on a Avid-machine, which is nearly the same as handling FinalCut. You'll perhaps need one evening. But after that you'll have the basic knowledge for editing your videos. The rest comes step by step. It is just learning-by-doing.
Another advice: Adobe Premiere Elements is also a good program for what your want to do. But it is much cheaper and a bit easier to learn. For editing simple home-movies perhaps the better choice. It has even a build-in DVD-authoring.
Greets
Stefan

If I download a video from my video camera to a new (current 1/12) iMac 21 inch, how can I burn it to a DVD using the computer itself. Is this possible? Do I need to buy additional software. Two salespeople at the Apple were a little confused about this.

If I download a video from my video camera to a new (current 1/12) iMac 21 inch, how can I burn it to a DVD using the computer itself. Is this possible? Do I need to buy additional software. Two salespeople at the Apple were a little confused about this. Thank you.

The DVD recorder I'm referring to is one I've use for years. It is not attached to my aging iMac in any way. I simply play the video from my camcorder (mini-dv tape based Canon HV20) into the DVD recorder and create a DVD that can be played in any DVD player. I can only do minimum editing so what goes in is what I get. This has been fine for creating dupes of the various things I shoot.
If I buy a new iMac (21 inch), I'd like to be able to download the video to the iMac through iMovie, work with it to whatever degree I wish, and burn it to a DVD that can also be played in any DVD player -- or to use as a master to dupe copies.
What I'm understanding from you and others is that this would be possible if Apple had included iDVD in the software that comes with the iMac, or if I purchase the iLife Family Pack, or buy the correct version of Toast. I'm hoping I can persuade Apple to sell me an iMac with iDVD installed.
Essentially I want to move from a basic process of creating DVD copies to the more sophisticated process of creating one from an iMac.
Thank you again for your help and wisdom.

How can I adjust video from two cameras that are out of sync?

Hi - I've just recorded someone speaking on two cameras with the intention of cutting clips in from the second camera while using the video and soundtrack from the main camera, however the two video files are out of sync by half a second or so by the end. How can I 'stretch' the shorter clip so they coincide properly? Thanks, David.

David
What version of Premiere Elements are you using and on what computer operating system is it running?
Typically, select the clip,
as you hold down the Alt key of the computer main keyboard, tap the left or right arrow key once. Each tap = 1 frame nudge.
as you hold down the Shift+Alt keys of the computer main keyboard, tap the left or right arrow key once. Each tap = 5 frames nudge.
If you are working with audio editing, consider Edit Menu/Project Settings/General with Audio Display Format = Milliseconds.
Please let us know if any of the above worked for you.
Thank you.
ATR

Two camera edit

I have two questions.
I have the same interview filmed on two cameras and I now want to edit the footage from both cameras into one clip using FCE. I've synced the footage easily enough from both cameras, but I have found the editing a bit of a struggle and very cumbersome. Is there a quick way to do this like the two camera editing tool in FCP?
The clip needs to be trimmed once cut together. I presume I do this once I have a completed clip..

You can also do it without a filter.
1. Place the clip you'll use the most shots from on V1.
2. Place the other clip on V2 then double-click the clip on V2 to load it into the Viewer.
3. Click on the Motion tab and Scale the clip to 50% and Center it so it's in one corner. Now you have a PIP effect.
4. Cut and delete the sections of the V2 clip that you do NOT want.
5. Once you're finished cutting, select ALL the clips remaining on V2, right-click on one and select "Remove Attributes" and select the Basic Motion option. All V2 clips will go back to full Scale and Center again.
6. While all the V2 clips are still selected, Shift-drag them to V1 and add transitions if needed.
-DH

Two camera multicamera editing

To old pros, this may be old hat - if so my apologies for posting - but to me it is a revolution - and of possible help to some.
To foresee unwanted panning or zooming (to create a new shot) use this method (assuming you have already syncronized video and audio on tracks 1 and 2): 1) select all - both video and audio tracks, 2) move everything two and a half secs. down the timelines, 3) lock audio tracks, 4) copy all, 5) lock both video tracks, 6) paste at 00:00:00:00. You should now have four video tracks. When this sequence is dragged into a new multi editing sequence and enabled in the normal way, the video in the top two windows will play 2-2.5 secs. ahead of real time thus giving you amble time to select the alternative window. Has saved me hours and hours not having to go back to reselect. I call it multicam editing the Danish way - with a smile.
Sigurd

Wow, that was confusing watching those videos. There's a couple ways to quickly set up and run a multicam switch in PPro CC 2014 but here's how I do it:
1) Sync up your clips. Align them how you want either using plural eyes or just do your own visual/audio sync (premiere has it's own audio sync which you can google how it works but I've found it not 100% accurate)
2) Hold down ALT and select only the video clips you want to cut between.
3) Right click on those highlighted clips and select NEST
4) That creates one nested clip on video track 1. (Because of the way I do this it still leaves the audio visible from all the cameras/sources below so they can be accessed right on that timeline.) Now right-click on that nested video track and select MULTICAM>Enable.
5) Now go to the PROGRAM window/panel and hit the + button on the bottom right. You'll see one icon that looks like windows, drag that out to the project panel so it stays visible always.
6) Click on that little window icon (if you hover over it, it should say multicam window or something like that). Now you'll see all the cameras at once and also another window that shows what camera is "live". It's ALL in the Program window now ever since the last few versions of Premiere.
7) Basically just hit play and start clicking on those little camera windows in that program monitor/panel as the video plays and it will record all your cuts. When you hit stop or pause, you'll then see all those cuts populate your video track. Done super easy.
8) To change a cut after you've stopped the playback you can bring the play head over the clip you want changed and then just click on the camera window that you want to change it to. Also, using the "n" or nudge tool helps you drag the cut or edit points forward or back in time.
Hope that helps! Enjoy!

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