ESS MSS Time Management: scenario without clock times (start/end) possible?
Implementing (negative) SAP HCM Time management with the WD Leave Request application we found that the clock times are always shown, for instance when requesting leave, scrolling over the leave calendar and in the leave approver's webdynpro.
The problem is that we are actually not interested in the begin and end-TIMES (hour started and hour ended) of any leave, other than the start and end DAY and the total number of hours taken off.
Is there a system setting where we can 'hide' the time/hours-fields in the entire leave request application (without having to analyze every single webdynpro gui elements etc.)? Anyone having experience with this kind of requirement? What did you do?
Kind regards,
Pascal Rijnart
Given what you have to date this is one suggestion (more than 1 way to do this). I'm doing this from memory as I don't have system in front of me at the moment but should be spot on.
These steps are all sequential in SPRO under Time Evaluation > Without Clock Time > Time Data Processing
1). Create a new time type in V_T555A, call it ZOT1 - Overtime or whatever you like.
2). Define a Processing Type against your overtime attendance type V_554S_F - "P/T" Field, make it 09 for example
3). Next assign a processing type (the '09' you assigned to the attendance) and time type (ZOT1) in table T555Y
- create a new entry in the table for your PSG & time type determination Group now using your P/T
- Now in "PTyp 3" field which is used for assigning time types from IT2002 enter a Ptyp 3 of 'M' for overtime
- In the "TTyp 3" field enter your new time type.
This will now generate a new time type and processing type TIP entry and leave your ordinary hours in tact.
Lastly you can define a rule in V_T510S for this particular time type to generate a overtime wage type.
There are other ways also, and maybe someone will post an alternative way - there is no 1 way only to do something in SAP.
Hope this helps
Cheers,
Brad
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