External Operations in Standard Cost

Hi All,
Currently when we run standard cost rollup,we are not adding any external operations costs to product and once production process is complete,it is settling as a variances.how can i include external operations cost in cost component?
every production order external operations costs is different and we have one primary cost element to post external operations cost.
any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
Rau

Don't solve my problem ecause this is my question.
I want that this field "Planned Delivery Time" is compiled by Default value. Is it possible.
In my opinion I hope that in Work Center for externa Operation, for example, there is a parameter that allows me to have a default value into the Field. Or in Master data of material.
My user want that they create a routing and insert the work center about external operation, the system put authomatically the value into the "Planned Delivery Time".
It's a request, but I don't find a standard solution.
David

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[email protected]
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