FCP X sub clips???

Anyone know if it's possible to create subclips in FCP X???
I don't believe Steve Martin mentions this in his Ripple Training tutorial on FCPX.

Hi
Apple really want you throw out the old ways of thinking and introduce you to a shiney ewcworld of relationsl databases and metadata. You almost have to stop thinking about your media as a bunch of files. The fact that you click on them and play them is almost irrelevant. The important thing is the metadata you give your imported clips. So the short answer is no to sub clips, but yes to setting multiple in and out points to a clip and giving each one specific keywords. Then you can display just the clips you want based on a search of keywords. it's a bit like searching a book for keywords and having phrases returned, ultimately more powerful than just cutting thevphrases out and having them in a long list. Well tharpts the theory anyway.
Huh
Adam

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Long-form workflow best practice? (sub clips)

I am struggling with the new media management and organizational challenges of FCP X.
Am I the only person in the FCP community who used sub clips? In all the extensive belly aching about the new FCP, I've yet to see anyone list the death of subclips as a dealbreaker.
This leaves me to believe that even in the pre-FCP X world people used a different (better) workflow than the one I used for over a decade.
Tom Wolsky tells me that I'm trying to force the new software to work like the old... Maybe, but I think it's reasonable to expect that an "upgrade" means that the new version of a software will have all the functionality of the software it's replacing with new capabilities added.... What we have, however, are lots of new (and admittedly) very desirable new capabilities with (infuriatingly) many of the capabilities most of us thought were crucial to our editing approaches stripped entirely. Of course there's the promise that "some" of these capabilities will return at some future, unspecified date.
Enough of my mini-rant, here's the question....
If I shoot 22 hours of raw footage and hope to mine 90 minutes for the final cut, which has approximately 45 scenes, how should I use these radical new organization features to be able to easily locate my clips?
In the old way, I'd get my Sony PMW-EX3 clips into FCP (not intuitive--another question, when will FCP accept the native SxS files?), then look at each of those master clips and cut those clips into sub clips.
Each subclip would have a unqiue name. And I would create a series of folders for the subclips. Very clean, very organized and when I need a cutaway shot of the dog barking in scene 22, I look at folder 22, open it and there it is... "Dog Barking."
The new FCP X uses Favorites or Keywords... both approaches inferior (in my opinion) to my old workflow... So what am I missing? How is the new way better? Was there a better way before that I was just missing???
And now I'm getting the whiff of an even bigger problem... I haven't encountered it myself but others are finding that once a project exceeds twelve minutes, things become terribly unstable.
Oh, well. Growing pains, I suppose. And people are correct, I can just use FCP 7... but I had such hopes... such hopes....
Dale

Yes, I know FCP X is an upgrade in name only. That's part of Apple's PR headache over this whole debacle. When people launch a program and 10.0 Final Cut Pro X stares them in the face, they are justified to expect that it's a true update (upgrade) of Final Cut Pro. And with Apple overselling the product.... oh, well, it is what it is.
Most of us would have been happy with Final Cut Pro 8, a true 64 bit upgrade of the program that was working for us.
Yes, Favorites and Keywords are similar to Subclips but they are still so tied to the Master Clip.. If I Favorite 10 clips and sort by favorites, I get the Master Clips and have to hit the triangle beside them to see the Favorites. Even if all 10 Favorites are from the same Master Clip, I get ten redundant lines I have to wade through....
The old way was better... One bin with ten uniquely named subclips. Clear and clean....
The new program does not seem informed by anyone who ever made a movie longer than five minutes... and evidently (from all reviews) it wasn't influenced by anyone who considers himself a professional editor. (I do not consider myself a professional editor, just an independent movie maker who writes, directs, acts, edits, etc., and who happily used Final Cut Pro for over a decade.)
I'm hanging around for FCP X 10.1... I've never seen Apple so mishandle a situation... On a much smaller scale, it's Apple's Vista moment....
Thanks for responding...
Dale

Problems with footage after making Sub clips

Hey there
Today I woke up to view all the subclips I had made out of my most recent project. Only today, all the footage looked more pixelated and blurry.
What might of happened? When I pause the footage the quality is exactly as it was before. But when played it's more pixelated.
Some of the footage was shot at a lower resolution, but when I set the size of the screen to the appropriate resolution the quality still looks bad.
Could this have anything to do with making subclips? Even going back and seeing the clips that the sub clips came from: the footage is still more "pixely"
Any help appreciated

Update to FCP 7.0.3...run the software updater. That solves a lot of NX5 issues.
Shane

Batch Capture vs Record Now and sub clips

Can FCP do scene detection on capture?
If not can I capture an entire tape, go back and create sub clips then use the media manager to delete what I don't want.

I just completed logging and batch capturing a 1hr DV tape and the interaction between my camera and FCP is not terribly responsive. The picture quality while scrubbing wasn't very good either.
So I thought it would probably be quicker, easier on the camera [and my eyes] if I captured first then logged, or created sub clips and then delete what I didn't want - otherwise I might end up with too much data.
In PPro I just started capturing and it automatically made a new clip for every scene then all you had to do was re-name them. Very fast. You could also use sub clips but it didn't work very well so I'm a bit suspicious about doing it that way.

Make sub clip from a sequence?

I am a recent convert from FCP and am used to placing multiple clips on a sequence and making sub clips from the sequence. I shoot a lot of 20 -30 minute interviews and this sub clipping from the time line in FCP was my workflow to select the best sound bites.
What am I missing?
It appears you can only make sub clips from the source window?
Help
Thank you

Thank you, that is so easy - now that you showed me.
Yes as I have several clips from each segment of interviews (especially if they take breaks, or I to need shut off the camera) then I scurb through them all, by subject, which may cross over multiple clips to make sub clips and rate them based on a star system to do final assembly in a new sequence. If do this in the source monitor I would have to load dozens and dozens of clips, one at a time to preview.
Can you suggest a better workflow?
Maybe with Prelude? I have not even opened this app yet

How to send FCP edited audio clips for processing in Soundtrack?

Hello
How do I send just the edited audio clips from hour long files to be processed in Soundtrack from Final Cut?
I need help as I'm trying to adjust some edited audio clips in Soundtrack Pro but when I send them from FCP to Soundtrack - it opens the whole original audio file and then any adjustments I apply in Soundtrack are being processed over the whole audio file not just the short edited audio clip that I want to adjust.
Normally I don't mind as my scenes are usually short and Soundtrack analysis over the whole scenes audio is usually desirable, but this projects files have been transfered from tapes as hour long AVI files (all the tapes clips transfered into one hour long files) and every FCP edited audio clip I send is being treated as an hour long audio file in Soundtrack.
I'm sure there's a simple answer for settings but I haven't been able to find it. Any advice appreciated.
Barra

Thanks Javi, my sequence is an hour and half duration so what I'm trying to do is save processing time in Soundtrack by just processing adjustments on the few audio clips that need processing.
I have set Soundtrack to open referenced audio only and with 5 sec in and out handles, but it still imports the whole original audio file into Soundtrack timeline upto the selected clip, I then double click in Soundtrack on the clip in brackets, and it then selects just the audio clip I want to adjust, then Soundtrack will just process on the edited clip but when I 'render to action' it seems to apply changes to whole original audio file - taking longer than I want.... frustrating
Also the sound always sounds very different in FCP than Soundtrack even after 'rendering to action' and rendering in FCP... this is not the easy workflow I expect from such expensive software programs, I understood that they work together in a fully integrated way, what's the problem! This is wasting my precious time and preventing me from editing not helping me, this is a common problem and yet I can find no help in the user manual - I'm not impressed!

Making sub-clips in a multicam sequence

Hi,
I used two cameras conducting while conducting an interview, and I'd like to be able to make sub-clips of the parts I want to use of my multicam sequence. Is that possible?
Warm regards,
Bob Fischer

I have a similar issue. I have a two camera shoot that I have synched up. I haven't done the multicam edit yet.
It is of a museum exhibit opening gala. So, there is a linear timeline of singers, speakers, singers, speakers.
< Clip One --singers -- singers -- speaker -- speaker -- speaker -- singers -- singers -->
< Clip Two --singers -- singers -- speaker -- speaker -- speaker -- singers -- singers -->
What I need to do is to take the footage - 35 Minutes - and trim it down to 3 minutes. What I need to do is show singers doing one song (multicam) then fade out the audio, bring up b-roll footage and audio, bring back in singers, fade out singers and bring in speakers (singers as backround audio while speaker speaks) and - this important - speakers are part of the two clips that make up the entire multicam sequence.
So, I could multicam everything first and then use that footage as my basis for cutting, adding b-roll and cutting entire speeches, songs, etc.
Or, I could set markers in the original multiclip synched sequence marking the beginnings of each "event" I could use the razor tool and start hacking it up and sliding it around. Then resynch all cut clips from the two sequences and multicam from there.
Is this clear at all?
Thanks.

Breaking a long clip into 'sub-clips'

So, I have a long clip that I've imported from, say a single long shot at an event. I want to break that clip up into what used to be subclips. I want to be able to treat those subclips as if they were clips - I want to be able to give them names, organize them in folders and I want to be able to drag them onto the timeline.
My question is, how does Apple think we should be doing this? The way that I see recommended around the web is:
Select your 'master' clip.
Set In and Out points.
Bring up the keyword editor.
Enter a new keyword for that 'subclip'
Doing this allows you to organize each 'subclip' by the keyword that's assigned to it and, by 'expanding' the master clip in the clip window, you can see the subclips/keywords in that master clip and you can drag them onto the timeline.
There are big issues with this, however.
There is no easy way to organize these subclips. Lets say I make 40 subclips (keywords) from a master clip. I then organize them into folders, 20 per folder, according to how I want them grouped. When I select a folder, I see a list of 20 clips - all named the same ... they are all named after the master clip! I have no way of telling which clip is which without individully exanding each clip! I could go back to the actual master clip by looking at it under the Event and exanding the master clip to see the list of all the 'keywords' - but then I have no way of orgainizing them - they're all just under that master clip.
What I want is not a 'keyword' - which is essentially a reusable identifier, used in this work-around as a single-use identfier - but a way of making parts of a master clip funtionally equivalent to the original master clip. Just because I shot some things in one take - especially with event videography - that doesn't mean I want them grouped together for editing. As far as I can see, there is no way to dissociate these subclips from the original master clip for the purposes of working with them.
This is basic functionality ... so am I missing something? What is the non-workaround way of doing this?
Here is another explanation of the issue by a kindly blogger:
http://fcpxquirks.tumblr.com/post/7122539715/so-far-the-biggest-workflow-problem -in-final-cut-10-0
Thank you!
A

Well, the difference is you can't do anything, like drag to the timeline or scrub, with the names in the library pane, only in the clips pane.
But you're right, that does suggest an improvement over using the folder to reveal the (sub)clips in the clip pane. I could drag the library pane as wide as possible so I can see as much of the 'subclip names'/'keyword collection names' as possible. Then expand the folder I want in the library pane, revealing those names. Then I click on the subclip/keyword I want, which reveals the (sub)clip in the clips pane. I can then drag it to the timeline or scrub it etc there. That's probably also an improvement over expanding the master clip in the clips pane, though still a right hacky pain.
I really don't think that being able to create subclips is an either/or with keywords. They fullfill different needs. Keywords do what they do well, but we still need the ability to create subclips, both from a logical workflow point of view and from a practical point of view, given how inconvenient this hack with keywords is. It should be 5 step process ...
1. You shoot your video, stopping and starting how it suits you at the during the shoot.
2. You import the video.
3. You break it up into clips for editing convenience.
4. You label and group and fine tune those clips with the keywording system.
5. You edit.
The ability to non-hackily do Step 3 is missing in Final Cut Pro X, it seems.

Managing multiple sub clips

I have just migrated from Final Cut Studio to Final Cut Pro X. I am trying to get my head around the workflow of managing clips and sub-clips. I am working on an interview, so I have a master shot which was recorded to tape and lasts an hour or so and is a single clip. I am having problems with the following:
a) I have an audio recording from a portable digital recorder which I need to synchronise to the master clip (it has a poor quality audio track from the camera's microphone). I have connected the digital audio track and removed the camera audio and it is more or less in synch but I can't see how to easily move the audio track in small increments to improve the synch with the interview video. (The automatic synch option failed - the digital audio was first followed by the camera video/audio, so the whole clip was over two hours.)
Any suggestions on how to do this with accuracy?
b) I started making subclips from the master track using keywords but I really want to give a sensible name to each of the subclips and then group them. I see that I can add additional ranges with Command Shift "i" - but if I forget and press just "i", I lose all the marked up ranges! I still have the subclips so I can add them one by one, but this seems very clumsy. Using keywords works okay - but I can't order them unless I name them alphabetically - again, its very clumsy. It seems to me that the developers assumed the clips would be short and probably only one in and out per clip. They must never work with a master shot from tape...
Any suggestions on a better way to do this?
Stephen
Sydney

Hi Karsten - thanks for the suggestions - I still haven't figured out how to move the audio clip by frame (rather than by dragging with the mouse) but it is more or less in-synch now.
I don't like the keywords option - I want proper name for each subclip and bins to put them in. Keywords on top of that would be great - but not instead of. That's how my mind works - a heirarchical structure provides a lot more information than the vagueness of subclips in multiple buckets - how do you know if you have included every subclip in your movie? How can you be sure you havent used the same clip twice? Also, if you delete the last keyword, the subclip vaporises! I have an hour long clip from the tape on the main camera for an interview. If i make a mistake at ANY TIME by pressing just "i" instead of Command "i" all my subclips vaporise - they still appear in the keyword collection but you cannot favourite them, and therefore you cannot name them individually. They are like phantoms!
I found a solution today after 2 hours with Apple support on the line - You can knife up the long clip, create new compound clips and give them a new name. Then you can use keywords to organise them - this is your only choice because you can't put clips in a folder. Its not ideal - if you knife in the wrong place you can't roll back the edit like you could with a subclip in the old Final Cut Pro.
I don't think the Final Cut Pro X development team use the product - there are so many problems related to assumptions they have made about the original material that it is very difficult to figure out how to use this software for a serious project. If you have lots of short clips then perhaps it makes sense - but if the keyword has to substitute for the name of the clip it becomes very unwieldy...
I recorded an interview - so every sub-clip has to tell me what the interviewee is saying. And then I want to organise the clips in a hierarchical system (I'm a computer programmer by trade). I want one copy of each clip in an order which makes sense to me. No extras! No multiple copies. Keywords is MUCH too vague...
Its not a professional's program any more. Every edit is now destructive - nothing goes to trash in 10.1.1 it just vaporises, and unless you remember to take a copy of your library before you start editing, if you delete something important you have to start again from the beginning. With a library of nearly 400Gb for this project, taking a copy is a big deal! I wonder if its the iMovie team who developed this software? If I hadn't thrown out my old software I would go back to the old version immediately.
This is a fiasco on the scale of the Apple Maps disaster... I hope they sort this out soon!

Sub Clips In Movie Clips

Ok, I have continually run into this so i guess i just don't understand some foundation to how AS3 works.
So, I have a movie clip in the library (ClipA) - it is linked to a class.
Inside Clip A there are 3 other Movie Clips (SubClip1, SubClip2, SubClip3).
When I place ClipA on the stage i want to adjust the frame that each of the SubClips are on.
BUT, when I try to set them to a frame in ClipA's class file i get an error like this:
     1061: Call to a possibly undefined method gotoAndStop through a reference with static type flash.display:DisplayObject.
If i do something like this it works:
    this.getChildByName("SubClip1").x = 10;
But this wont:
    this.getChildByName("SubClip1").gotoAndStop(10);
What am i not understanding? Why can't i adjust sub clips?

From the other error message you were getting, it indicated a DisplayObject under in the compiler's scrutiny. A DisplayObject will most definitely have x and y position properties, so there's no issue there. But a DisplayObject is not necessarily a MovieClip, so it may not have a gotoAndPlay method... so you sometimes have to give the compiler a slap on the back of the head by telling it explicitly what type of object it's looking at.
There are some things that in my opinion don't stand up to reason (or being reasonable) with how AS3 works, but there are others who see sense in it all.

Need suggestions on making sub-clips

Okay, so here's the situation:
I did an interview for a documentary I'm making, and want to split up the large file into sub-clips for individual topics. However, when I was reviewing it, I noticed that somehow the sound/visuals had been desynched in capturing. It would be very inconvenient for me to have to recapture at this time, so I found a work around by making a new sequence, putting in the desynched file, and trimming some of the video off to sync it up. However, now I can't make sub-clips, I can only use the blade tool on the large sequence. Can anybody think of a workaround?

Okay thanks that might be helpful but I actually figured it out. I just exported the synched sequence to a Quicktime movie and then re-imported it. It's a little cumbersome and has to be rendered all the time, but it works.

Audio "sub-clips" won't play in source monitor, but will play when cut into a sequence.

I'm cutting an "audio only" project in Premiere and I came across a strange problem while making sub-clips. The first 6 sub clips made from the same master audio clip were normal, but then something changed, and the rest of them won't play any sound while in the "Source" window, even though while in the window the sub-clip displays a waveform.
Once edited into a sequence they play normally, but not being able to listen to the sub clips in the source monitor is annoying, and louses up my whole editing routine for this kind of project.
Any ideas as to why this is happening, or what I might do to fix it?

Number of issues here:
1. Your system does not meet minimum requirements.
2. Your CPU, disks, memory are not enough for anything other than DV.
3. What video camera was used with what codec on what OS with which version of PR. etc.
Some suggestions... and answer at least the 16 questions at the end of the Wiki article.

In Prelude is it possible to export my sub clips as complete files?

I work at a youth sports camp, and have a massive amount of footage to work with each week to create a highlight video. The video used is collected by multiple employees with different skill levels. Is it possible with Prelude to save just the sub clips from the ingested footage? Or do I need to save the original file that the subclip is linked to? I would like to cut out any bad footage from the weekly bin before editing begins.
Thanks

Hi –
In Prelude CS6 there isn’t any method for exporting just subclips as new media files. However, you can select your subclips and send them into Premiere Pro from Prelude using the “Send to Premiere Pro…” menu command under the FILE menu. This will package your subclips and create items in Premiere Pro’s project panel which you can then easily export into new files on disk.
Thanks for making the post and the request. We have heard this request from others as well and are looking into this workflow for Prelude.
Thanks!
Michael

Clicking on the green line does not select the sub-clip

I have marked sub-clips and marked them as Favorites, producing the green line at the top. However, when I click on the green line in the clip, it selects the entire clip, rather than the Favorite sub-clip. Is there some setting I have missed which produces this behavior? I want to click on the green line and select the Favorite sub-clip. Thanks very much.

This could either be a software problem, or maybe you are not hitting the right spot to click.
First, make sure you are actually clicking on the green line. It is not enough to click the region below the green line, you have to click ON it, or rather have the tip of the mouse pointer going just a little above the green line.
A little below, and the whole clip gets selected - just as it is if you click elsewhere.
My guess is that this is just a matter of aiming at a small target.
But in case it isn't: the usual troubleshooting tricks may apply: delete preferences, and do Window->Revert to Original Layout.
But, again: first of all, practice your aim
The keyboard shortcut Alt-X is your friend, too. It DEselects the clip, just in case you missed your mark and it all got selected.

Prelude- Printing Markers (Sub clips) for a paper edit

Hi
Just started using Prelude and have sub clipped some material.
I want to print these markers out so I have a break down of what is on the reel as a paper copy for my edit
The problem is when I export this on a MacBook into Numbers the data is all unformatted and not much use, it's all over the place. I've tried exporting individually as well
Any ideas on how I can get this info into a readable form ?
Thanks in advance
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Match frame finds the frame in the original clip used in the sequence. once it has found the original clip you would need to type in the TC for the in in the upper right corner of the viewer window,hit enter and press the "i" key on the keyboard that will give you your inpoint. next type in the out tc from your list,hit enter and press the "o" key to set your out. drag the clip from the viewer into your new sequence or on a new layer on a duplicate of the original sequence. to duplicate a sequence hilite the sequence in the browser and from the edit menu "duplicate" you can now work off of that sequence and if you mess something up you still have your original sequence

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