Font Book in 10.7 is retarded. I need recommendations for a good font manager for OSX

On our 10.5.8 G5, I'm using Extensis Suitcase.
Our new Mac Pro is running 10.7 and I need to install fonts, but Font Book seems to cry about just about every font I want to install. So, where are the best font managers for OSX as of right now? Is Extensis still the best? Thoughts? Thanks,
Chris

I know what your're talking about. I used to do phone support for an ISP.
Anyway, this last one that has me up in arms says this:
"1 serious error was found. Do not use this font."
This is in the Font Validation window when I try to install into Font Book. It shows the font name "Serpentine-Bold-Bold.ttf" in the window with an expand triangle to the left. To the far right is a red circle with a white X in it. Ahh screw it, here's a screenshot....
This font works perfectly fine on our G5 running 10.5.8

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That is a big point....Is there a need?
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1) Suitcase Fusion. Very stable and reliable. So much more so than the previous X and X1 versions that I can't even recommend the previous versions anymore.
Not that it doesn't have drawbacks. Early releases of this version would refuse to open a handful of fonts (usually Type 1 PostScript) as "damaged" that versions X and X1 would open just fine. I haven't checked to see if the updates have fixed that issue. Fusion no longer opens fonts for Classic as X and X1 did.
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2) Actually a toss up between MasterJuggler 3 and Suitcase Fusion for the number 1 spot. I haven't played with it for more than a short while, but it's a darn nice program. Very similar to Suitcase in its use and layout. I put Suitcase Fusion first mostly for its Font Sense ability. Very important to folks like me. For more on what Font Sense does, check out Suitcase Fusion on Extensis' web site.
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I've read some posts where people don't like Suitcase in OS X because it always has to be running to use it and keep fonts open, where Master Juggler doesn't. Wrong. You can't have fonts open that aren't in a Fonts folder without the system knowing where they are somehow. Suitcase in OS X was simply reduced to a single app that controls fonts from the application which doubles as the interface. In OS 9 and earlier, the interface was just a front end for the part of Suitcase that did all of real work. That part was in the Extensions folder, which was of course always running. All Extensis did was remove the dual layer method of running the program. MasterJuggler uses the dual layer method. It looks like you've shut the app down when you quit and your fonts are still magically available. But there's a Startup Item for OS X and an Extension in the OS 9 Classic folder that do the work of keeping fonts open as Suitcase used to. So either way, something is always running, as it would have to be in order to do what it does.
3) Font Agent Pro. I've never used this one, but I've read quite a few reviews and customer ratings that put it right up there with the best/better competitors.
4) Not just fourth, a distant fourth. FontExplorer X is free and better than Font Book, but not by much. Confusing and clunky interface. Confusing to set up and use. But at least it can be set up to activate fonts in place. Other than that, it doesn't have a whole lot going for it.
5) Font Book. Last and least.

Font Book in 10.7 is retarded. I need recommendations for a good font manager for OSX

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