ICC-profile, colormanagement and printing

Hello
I'm having serious problems in printing my photo's from Lightroom.
I calibrated my screen, I changed the profile in colormanagement, but without succes. The prints do not match the view I have on my screen.
The prints look awfull.
Can somebody help me.
These are the programs and printer I'm using:
Windows Vista 64
Lightroom 2
camera: Nikon D700
printer: canon Pro 9500 Mark II
calibration: spider 3 pro

Thank you for the advice.
I had to turn of the colormanagement in the printers dialog box.
I did so and now it looks much better, even great.

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Here is my problem: despite calibrated monitor I don't get the prints to look even remotely close to what I get on my screen. Of course, I use the correct ICC profiles for my papers, and of course I have Aperture (and not the printer) run color management. It seems, however, that my prints resemble my monitor more if I use strange profiles such as "Wide Gamut RGB" or "ProPhoto RGB" as my monitor's profile instead of the calibrated D65, gamma 2.2.
In detail, here are my regular print settings in Aperture:
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Under Layout Options I use Print Resolution: Use Best DPI
With these settings the prints look significantly colder than what I see on the screen. Of course, a certain amount of the warmth of the screen colors comes from the calibration to D65 and gamma of 2.2, but shouldn't this give me the best correspondence between the calibrated screen and the print (using of course the color management of the application with ICC profiles, not the printer driver color management)?
I tried the same in CS4 and Lightroom, but no difference. Again, the problem is not that the prints are terrible: they are just not very close to what I see on the calibrated screen.
Where do I make a mistake? All suggestions are very welcome! This is driving me crazy. Many thanks for your help!
Best,
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While the technical aspects of color management are complex, they are largely irrelevant for users.
The following steps have worked well for me:
Step One: Calibrate your monitor. I use the Datacolor Spyder. This produces a monitor profile. Use System Preferences to set your monitor to use this profile. Don't use this profile for anything else and give it a clear name so that you don't confuse it with a printer profile.
Step Two: Download and install the latest drivers for your printer. Buy a small box of photo paper (gloss, semi-gloss) from the manufacturer of your printer. Make sure that you have the correct ICC profiles for this paper and printer. You are trying to establish a baseline.
Step Three: Pick an image with a reasonable range of colors and exposures. (Don't start with a "difficult" image.) Turn soft proofing off and adjust the image as desired.
Step Four: Send this image to the printer. Load up the manufacturer's paper.
Step Five: In the "print" dialog, go to the "Printer Settings" sub menu and select the correct "Quality and Media" and the appropriate setting for "photo" quality. Make sure that all of the color options are neutral. Save.
Step Six: Back on the "Print" dialog select the correct ICC profile for your paper/printer. (Careful, DON'T use the calibrated monitor profile!) Adjust other settings as required. Save and name the preset.
Step Seven: Print and Pray. (And pray I haven't missed a step - sorry I'm not at my Mac. From your initial post, it sounds like you know how to do all of this.)
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If you are happy, great - get a beer. If not, try the following, making only one change at a time:
== Turn Soft Proofing on using the profile of the paper/printer. (Don't select the profile for your monitor, or any other.) Do the screen and print match now? If so, then you know to do your adjusting with soft proofing on. Remember, soft proofing is not exact - it is merely an attempt to make your screen look like the combination of paper and printer.
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Guess you should have the same files as I do.
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Hi, I give up. I want to follow this procedure as found on the HP website:
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Creating Custom ICC Profiles for Color Photos
   1.
      Select File , then Print with Preview . (Photoshop 6 and prior: select File , then Print .)
   2.
      Select the Show More Options check box, and Color Management from the drop-down menu.
   3.
      In the Profile menu, select Same as Source .
The printer driver must also be configured to properly use custom profiles. Use the steps below to configure the printer driver.
   1.
      Select File , Print , and then Properties , Color .
   2.
      Select Managed by application from the Color management menu.
   3.
      Click on the Paper/Quality tab and select the appropriate paper type from the Type is menu.
   4. Click OK , and then OK again to print.
    NOTE:     The paper type must be selected in the printer software even when creating a profile. Maximum ink volume limits are determined by the paper-type selection, not through the ICC profile.
With these settings, a print without any color management intervention from either the printer driver or the application will be produced. This print is suitable for measurement and profile creation
                    OR
Using ICC Profiles for Color Photos in Adobe Photoshop
   1.
      Select File , then Print with Preview . (For Photoshop 6 and prior select File , and then Print ).
   2.
      For Photoshop 7 and CS, in the Print with Preview dialog, select the Show More Options checkbox, and Color Management from the menu.
   3.
      In the Profile menu, select the profile that corresponds to the printer, paper type, and ink set.
   4.
      Set the ICC rendering intent in the Intent menu. Most users will want to use the Perceptual intent to give the most subjectively pleasing color reproduction.
   5.
      Checking the Use Black Point Compensation box is also recommended.
The printer driver must also be configured to properly use the profile. Use the steps below to configure the printer driver.
   1.
      Select File , Print , and then Properties , Color .
   2.
      Select Managed by application from the Color management menu.
   3.
      Click on the Paper/Quality tab and select the appropriate paper type from the Type is menu.
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All of my posts are my opinions.
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