Ignore Source Out Point

Maybe I'm just having one of those mornings, but I can't seem to figure out how to get Premiere to Ignore the out point on my source clip (in a 4 point edit).
I see in the manual (I even looked in the manual!) that I should be able to select that option, but the problem is I am never presented with the option. It's possible I clicked a "Never show this again" type checkbox, and if I did, how do I get these choices back:
If the marked source and program durations differ, select an option when prompted:
Change Clip Speed (Fit to Fill) Maintains the source clip’s In and Out points, but changes the clip’s speed so that its duration matches the duration determined by the sequence In and Out points.
Trim Clip’s Head (Left Side) Automatically changes the source clip’s In point so that its duration matches the duration determined by the sequence In and Out points.
Trim Clip’s Tail (Right Side) Automatically changes the source clip’s Out point so that its duration matches the duration determined by the sequence In and Out points.
Ignore Sequence In Point Disregards the sequence In point you set, and performs a three-point edit.
Ignore Sequence Out Point Disregards the sequence Out point you set, and performs a three-point edit.

I've struggled with this function for weeks - I couldn't figure out how to change it! Just today I spent 10 minutes tracking it down as it was driving me insane that my source clip out points were taking priority over the out point I set in the timeline. I think part of the problem lies in some of the nomenclature surrounding this feature. First of all just to find the preference, its named Fit Clip and what I'm trying to accomplish has nothing to do with "fit to fill" - fit-to-fill is a speed function, not an edit/overwrite function - but it's labeled as "Fit Clip" in preferences. Then in the resulting dialog that controls this functionality we're presented with the fit-to-fill function as well as options to control in/out point priority but with confusing descriptors 'trim' as well as 'ignore' for essentially the same functionality. Ignore is probably the most accurate of the two, but using trim here is absolutely wrong. Trim to an editor is a specific function not related to overwrite editing with in/out points (or a speed change like fit-to-fill). So why is 'trim' being used to describe what is essentially edit point priority? And why is a speed change function (albeit one induced by an overwrite edit) lumped into the same dialog?
My solution: make the fit-to-fill functionality a keyboard modifier, like option or shift while dragging from the bin or invoking the Overwrite function. Then change the nomenclature surrounding the Fit Clip dialog: remove the fit-to-fill option, remove all references to 'trim' in the dialog and rename the 4-point edit functionality to edit point priority.

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Hello folks,
I'm a long time FCP 7 and Avid editor currently using 8.2 for two short form museum films and have been running into all sort of questions. This one comes up multiple times a day. I tried to search for this here but didn't find my exact issue or answers.
I am trying to do a four point edit and I keep getting the "Insufficient Content for Edit" error. My source is marked in and out for 5 sec and my timeline in and out is marked for 8 sec. Four points total. I have already checked the Ignore Source Out point in the Fit Clip window and have checked the "Remember" box as well. My source definitely have enough footage to fill the marked 8 sec in the timeline. So why isn't PP ignoring the source out point when I commit the edit? Of course, I works properly if I go to the Source window and remove the out point manually but that's a pain and shouldn't be the way. Is PP not capable of this? or Am I doing something wrong? What is the point of the "Ignore Source Out Point" if it doesn't apply to this very common situation?
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When the Fit Clip dialog opens for me and the source is shorter than the destination, "Ignore Source In Point" and "Ignore Source Out Point" are grayed out. In other words, when the source is shorter than the destination, my only option is to ignore sequence in or out points.
If my source is longer than my destination then it allows me to check ignore source in or out. However, if I have Premiere remember this choice, when I try to insert a source clip that is shorter than the destination, I get the error that you get.
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Is the Source Monitor zoomed out to show the whole clip? If not, please zoom out to see if the In/Out points are getting painted in the wrong place initially.
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Do the clips have non-zero start timecode? If so, please try with a clip with zero-based timecode. (If you don't have one handy, you can create one fairly easily by exporting a sequence with start TC of 0;00)
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In this project, the only type of clip I'm using is simple clips. There are nested sequences; I'm not sure, but possibly the problem has also presented itself when these are brought into the source monitor - but not exclusively with those.
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Message was edited by: cjderosa1
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