IPhoto 09/Aperture 2 versus iPhoto 09/Adobe Lightroom 2

Does any one have any recommendations on which combination works best?

Lightroom has no awareness of the existence of iPhoto. There is no way that it can recognise the iPhoto Library or any of the work you have done in it - albums, keywords etc. To move files or photos between the two you will need to export from one and import to the other.
Aperture recognises the iPhoto Library and there is a command there to facilitate migration from iPhoto to Aperture. This process captures your Events, Albums, keywords and so forth.
Also, with the Aperture -> Show iPhoto Library command you can import individual photos over to Aperture.
From iPhoto the Show Aperture Library command means you can access the Previews in your Aperture Library.
At heart, these three applications do the same job. Aperture and Lightroom are firmly focussed on the Pro user shooting high volumes of RAW. They both offer distinct advantages over iPhoto in processing RAW, no matter what the volume.
What iPhoto can offer both of these are - very simple books, calendars and so on and much better slideshows options.
Regards
TD

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Linking iPhoto and Aperture., Linking iPhoto and Aperture.

So, I have done all the obvious things and after multiple years with iPhoto, am struggling with Aperture, but I'll get there. I want to retain iPhoto as a browser for my family, and use Aperture primarily for adjustments. Now, I can open iPhoto files direct in Aperture, but how do I save the new version to iPhoto easily? I can export to desktop then drag in, but I had almost expected the new version that I am adjusting in Aperture to save direct to iPhoto.
Second question....I've seen comments about dragging new projects direct into iPhoto as either a file or say, slideshow. Is this just a drag and drop operation with both iPhoto and Aperture browsers open or is there a very elegant way I'm missing?

Now, I can open iPhoto files direct in Aperture, but how do I save the new version to iPhoto easily? I can export to desktop then drag in, but I had almost expected the new version that I am adjusting in Aperture to save direct to iPhoto.
You can't. Aperture is not an External Editor for iPhoto. It's a database, like iPhoto and is a complete replacement for iPhoto. Simply, the scenario you have is not part of the Aperture toolkit.
Aperture and iPhoto are entirely different applications that work in very different ways.
The only communication between the two is as follows:
Aperture is able to parse the iPhoto Library to allow it to import the contents while stacking the Originals and Modified versions, preserving metadata and so forth.
Aperture can share its Previews with the iLife apps, including iPhoto.
That's it.
So, specifically, what interaction there is between the two is designed to facilitate migration from iPhoto to the more powerful app. After that, iPhoto has exactly the same relationship to the Aperture Library as, say, Pages or iMovie.

IPhoto vs Aperture--deleting iPhoto library

I just installed Aperture 3 and in doing so, i chose the option of copying my iPhoto library into Aperture. The instructions from Apple--available here: http://www.apple.com/aperture/iphoto-to-aperture/how.html -- say that if I then select the option to "Consolidate Masters to Library" I can safely delete my iPhoto library. But when I chose that option, I got a message that 'there are no referenced photographs." Can this be? My iPhoto Library is 124 GB; the new Aperture library is only 82 GB. Can I now safely delete the iPhoto library and have all my pictures in Aperture or is there something else I need to do. (To be safe, I have already backed up my entire iPhoto library on an external drive.
Thanks,
Rick Derevan

2. There is a subfolder in the Aperture folder called "Masters" with a whole bunch of folders in it and pictures are in the ones i opened, But I don't know if these are "masters" or "versions"--but I assume they are masters.
Aperture does not store the versions in the library as actual images - Aperture only stores instructions on how to render the version from the master. This saves disk space - you can create many versions from the same master without additional storage necessary, and this makes the lossles workflow possible. You always can undo your adjustments step by step, The version image will be created when you export the image. So if you see an image file in the library it is the master image file, if it is in the "Masters" folder.
So I think I am good to go, but all of my (former) iPhoto events show in the inspector column. And when I open a project in Aperture, and click on a photo, the event in iPhoto where the photo was originally found is highlighted in the inspector bar. So, why is the iPhoto event being highlighted if the photos are now in an Aperture library? Is that cause for worry?
Aperture recreated the iPhoto library structure in the Aperture Library as far as possible.
For each iPhoto event you now will find an Aperture project. These projects are the containers of your images. Each image has a project where it is stored. Also you should see your iPhoto albums, books, and Slideshows. and the images should be tagged with captions and keywords.
There is no cause to worry - all iPhoto images are now in Aperture; and Aperture mirrors your old library structure; this is supposed to be helpful, not to confuse you
The inspector panel in Aperure is very different from the iPhoto Inspector. Everything seems to be there twice, but these are just different views of the same items in the database.
The upper part lets you view the Library by projects, places, faces, etc., an the lower part shows the storage structure - how the library is organized by folders and projects; and if you select an image in the upper part - in projects view or Photos view, then Aperture will highlight the project where the image is contained.
I think you will find Kirby Krieger's introduction helpful to get you started:
Kirby Krieger: Re: Organizing in Aperture, concise long version:
https://discussions.apple.com/message/12616449#12616449
And also the very good online manual, if you have not found it already:
Aperture 3 User Manual: http://documentation.apple.com/en/aperture/
Regards
Léonie

Syncing aperture and iPhoto, syncing aperture and iPhoto

I'd like to switch back to iphoto from aperture. I believe Apple isn't supporting aperture very well. Any suggestions?

Neither Aperture nor iPhoto do support synching of their image databases or even synching between databases generated by different applications.
The way from iPhoto to Aperture is a one-way road - to import iPhoto Libraries into Aperture is well supported, but back from Aperture to iPhoto you will have to export your projects and to reimport manually. This makes sense, since iPhoto only offers a subset of Aperture's features.
I believe Apple isn't supporting aperture very well.
I will not discuss belief, but Aperture and iPhoto share many frameworks and the database engine; so the only thing you'll get by going back will be a simpler graphical user interface and reduced funtionality.
Good Luck
Léonie

How does aperture 2 compare with adobe lightroom?

I realize aperture 2 just came out but feedback from anyone with experience in both aperture 2 & adobe lightroom would be very much appreciated
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I own both (Aperture 1.5x) and I can say they both have some very nice features. I prefer working in Aperture when I can. Here are a couple of differences that I think are important.
LightRoom has no support for multiple monitors. This doesn't seem to bother some people, but it drives me nuts. I would love to have my a 1:1 or fit preview open on a second monitor while I'm working. Aperture is great at this. You may want to avoid LightRoom if that sounds like something you would want for your workflow.
Another thing I like in aperture is the highlight recovery looks much nicer to my eye.
Like William Lloyd mentioned there is a lot of pre Aperture 2 vs LR comparisons out there... they may give you a good start. I'm sure lots of folks will be rushing to write up comparisons or 2.0 vs LR soon.
Good luck!

How to import from Aperture to iPhoto

Hello all,
Can anyone help me in moving my pictures out of Aperture 3 and into iPhoto? It was fairly simply to move them over into Aperture however I can't seem to work out how to do the reverse.
Also I currently have iPhoto '08 but will be shortly purchasing iPhoto '11 from the App Store. Till this happens I assume some photo's which were taken on my Canon 550d won't show up? And it will show a blank picture instead?

Can anyone help me in moving my pictures out of Aperture 3 and into iPhoto?
Aperture and iPhoto are entirely different applications that work in very different ways.
iPhoto has no knowledge of, and knows nothing of how the Aperture Library works. It cannot read the Aperture library. So,
1. Export all your Masters
2. Export all your Versions
You can write the metadata to the files on export - check out the Export presets. Note that you cannot export Faces. There is no convention for sharing Faces. The best you can do is use Faces as a basis for keywording.
Import them into iPhoto. Note that there is no way to associate the masters with the versions in iPhoto, so you'll have apparent duplicates.
I assume some photo's which were taken on my Canon 550d won't show up? And it will show a blank picture instead?
Why do you assume this?
Regards
TD

Browsing Behavior: iPhoto vs Aperture

I'm currently using iPhoto and Aperture concurrently (iPhoto for browsing/storage, Aperture for importing/tagging/editing), but I really want to switch over to just Aperture. There is one thing that's keeping me from moving to Aperture for browsing and storage:
In iPhoto, when you open the library (not an album, the whole library) I can scroll through events, open one, then click "show all events" and it returns me back to where I was on the list of events (I have approx. 1000 events, so this is important). Aperture almost replicates this, when you click on All Projects, you get swipe-able project thumbs, just like events. However, when you open a project, then click back on All Projects, you end up at the top of the list, not the scroll point you were previously at.
I know this doesn't sound like much, but it's a deal breaker for me in terms of finishing my migration. I often am looking through a big list of events, browsing through pictures from, say, 20 of them around the same time period to get the right shot. Having to scroll back down to the point I left off at every time I exit a project back to the main list is horribly annoying.
Anyone have any ideas on how to replicate iPhoto's behavior in Aperture?
Thanks in advance,
Elliot

Interesting, I didn't know about top tier folders. That gets me most of the way there - the scroll behavior is correct, but then I'm looking at all the photos, not swipe-enabled projects...
Don't get me wrong, when I'm doing post on a shoot, Aperture handles organization really well, but in terms of having all my shots and projects from the last decade laid out, I find iPhoto's chronological event view much more appealing than a really long list of nested folders. Apertures "All Projects" comes so close to working, but that scroll behavior (resetting to the top of the list) really kills it's usefulness to me.

Adobe Album versus iphoto organizing

I may be crazy, but I cannot figure this out...I have been using Photoshop Album on my PC. In Album, you can view/sort your photos by the folder they are in - meaning, when I uploaded my images to my PC using my Canon camera software, it put the images into folders based on the date the images were taken. So even if I took only one image on one day, that image would be in a seperate folder in "My Documents" and I could see that folder and that image on the Adobe Album viewer.
With iphoto, when I upload my images using my CF card, the images get put into an iphoto roll which is dated the date I uploaded the photos. So even if I have photos taken on from the 1st to the 12th, and upload them on the 14th, all the images are put in a roll titled "14th".
Is there a way to view my images based on the date I took those images - seperated by "folders" - i.e. not all batched together in the library view? Can I view my photos like they are sorted in the Finder - if you look in Pictures-iphoto library-2006-01...the folders listed are by the day the images were taken. Can I get this type of view in iphoto?? Am I making myself clear here??
Thanks!
iMac G5 (iSight) Mac OS X (10.4.3)

Lightroom has no awareness of the existence of iPhoto. There is no way that it can recognise the iPhoto Library or any of the work you have done in it - albums, keywords etc. To move files or photos between the two you will need to export from one and import to the other.
Aperture recognises the iPhoto Library and there is a command there to facilitate migration from iPhoto to Aperture. This process captures your Events, Albums, keywords and so forth.
Also, with the Aperture -> Show iPhoto Library command you can import individual photos over to Aperture.
From iPhoto the Show Aperture Library command means you can access the Previews in your Aperture Library.
At heart, these three applications do the same job. Aperture and Lightroom are firmly focussed on the Pro user shooting high volumes of RAW. They both offer distinct advantages over iPhoto in processing RAW, no matter what the volume.
What iPhoto can offer both of these are - very simple books, calendars and so on and much better slideshows options.
Regards
TD

Using iPhoto together with Adobe Lightroom

I use Adobe Lightroom for my image organizing/tagging needs, since it's way more powerful than iPhoto in this area. I would however like to use iPhoto for my daily image browsing, syncing with my iPhone and for ordering prints/books ++. The way I do this now, is I let iPhoto scan the folder where I have my images. After a while when it gets outdated, I delete the database and rescan in iPhoto. Kinda cumbersome...
So:
1. Is there a way I can make iPhoto rescan my image folder? Maybe some script or something that can do it for me?
2. When I rate images in LR, the ratings are stored in the IPTC Urgency field. When I import to iPhoto it doesn't import this as rating. Any way I can convert IPTC Urgency to iPhoto rating?
3. Would Aperture be a better choice for working together with iPhoto, or would it be just as cumbersome?

In reverse order:
3. Would Aperture be a better choice for working together with iPhoto, or would it be just as cumbersome?
It’s a lot better. You can grab your previews from Aperture right into iPhoto using a Media Browser, but given that Aperture will do all those things - books, syncing with iPhone etc - you’ll probably need to do it less. Like iPhoto, Aperture is integrated throughout the OS, in every Open... Dialogue, through Media Browsers to integrate with other apps and so on. The primary advantage of using Aperture is that +at least the two apps know each other exist+.
2. When I rate images in LR, the ratings are stored in the IPTC Urgency field. When I import to iPhoto it doesn't import this as rating. Any way I can convert IPTC Urgency to iPhoto rating
I don’t think so. There is no real way to move ratings between any apps that I know of. This area of metadata is still in its infancy.
1. Is there a way I can make iPhoto rescan my image folder? Maybe some script or something that can do it for me?
No. However there are apps out there that can watch that folder for you and execute specific actions on events occurring. You may be able to cook up an Automator action or Folder Action script that will import to iPhoto when a file is added to the Folder. Or use an app like Hazel to do it for you.
Update: I’m not sure what this Lightroom plug-in brings to the party, but it may help.
Regards
TD
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RAW files from my Nikon Df (NEF) will not display in Lightroom. Same format from Nikon D300s works. Camera firmware is current. Df RAW (NEF) files display in Nikon software products, not in Apple software (Aperture or iPhoto).

RAW files from my Nikon Df (NEF) will not display in Lightroom. Same format from Nikon D300s works. Camera firmware is current. Df RAW (NEF) files display in Nikon software products, not in Apple software (Aperture or iPhoto).

http://helpx.adobe.com/creative-suite/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html
The above list show the current camera models supported by Adobe Camera Raw (plugin for PS CC) and Lightroom 5.3.
You will see that the Df Raw support was provided in the latest version of LR 5.3. Support for the D300s was introduced in LR 2.5. (the NEF files are different.)
Lightroom and Adobe Camera Raw can only be updated after the camera manufacturer has produced the camera and made it publicly available. If you are using an earlier version of Lightroom then that is your problem.
Please post details of the version you are using at present.

Adobe Lightroom on MacBook Pro does not see my iphoto library

Adobe Lightroom on MacBook Pro does not see my "iphoto library"

Hello.
The problem is that the iPhoto library is inside of iPhoto. Lightroom won't let you select it because it's basically a shortcut to iPhoto. Try exporting the images you need or all of them, depending on what you need.

Work with both: iPhoto and Aperture (or Lightroom)

I have iLife '09 and the newest MacBook pro with Leopard (last edition) and I am New in Apple Scene.
All my photos now are imported in iPhoto. How can I organize lot of photos, when I want to work with Aperture (or Lightroom)? Do I need then iPhoto? Or only organize all photos in Aperture?

Aperture, Lightroom and iPhoto all cover the same ground in different ways.
iPhoto is aimed at the domestic market. It's very user friendly and works very well with Point and Shoot cameras especially.
Both AP and LR are focussed firmly on the Pro Shooter shooting high volumes of RAW. They both have significant learning curves.
That said, there is much to be gained as an Amateur photographer using either app if you are shooting RAW. Much less so if you you're shooting jpeg.
You can download trials of both AP and LR.
AP works in a limited fashion with iPhoto. You can share your Previews with iPhoto, for instance, and there is a facility to easily migrate from iPhoto to Aperture. You can migrate an entire library or just particular photos.
LR is utterly unaware of iPhoto. There is a third party plug-in that facilitates exporting from LR to iPhoto. There is no easy way to migrate from iPhoto to LR.
Subject to the caveats above about shooting RAW: I would use Aperture as the primary organisational and processing app. I choose AP because it's much more powerful that iPhoto and because it has excellent OS integration entirely missing from LR.
Regards
TD

Best Setup, iPhoto 11 & Aperture 3 and Lightroom 3

As I use all three of these apps, as well as Photoshop CS5, I've been thinking hard how I want to set up all these apps. The first obvious issue is storage. It would be insane to keep three copies of my images, so the obvious choice is to store images in subfolders of the Pictures folder in my account hierarchy. Then have all three apps reference the images from there rather than copying the images into their own library structure. Would all agree to this or is there some hidden gotcha to this?
I know iPhoto and Aperture can share info back and forth. Is there a preferred way to set up what app gets images from or to another that you all would recommend? Can one app be the 'master' and the other two be slaves?
What would be the best bet, also, for importing the images to the master. The images are already in folders and subfolders according to how I would like them to be in the master app once the import is done.
Finally, is there a way to support a dual storage system, one where my folder structure is maintained, top level folders within pictures being the project, subfolders being the events, or whatever terminology the app uses, with a second structure using top level by year, sub-levels by month and day? Both systems in use together.

Aperture, Lightroom and iPhoto, to one extent or the other, all do the same job. The best advice is to pick one horse and ride it.
All three apps want to manage the files. Yes, all three can reference the same set of files too, but none can see or work with the processing of the other. So, the Lightroom version of the photo is different that the iPhoto one is different from the Aperture one. And, none can even see the other without some form of exporting.
Best analogy I can think off: Writing your novel in Word, Pages and TextEdit - one paragraph in each. It just makes everything more complicated.
I know iPhoto and Aperture can share info back and forth.
Aperture and iPhoto are entirely different applications that work in very different ways.
The only communication between the two is as follows:
Aperture is able to parse the iPhoto Library to allow it to import the contents while stacking the Originals and Modified versions, preserving metadata and so forth.
Aperture can share its Previews with the iLife apps, including iPhoto.
That's it.
So, specifically, what interaction there is between the two is designed to facilitate migration from iPhoto to the more powerful app. After that, iPhoto has exactly the same relationship to the Aperture Library as, say, Pages or iMovie.
iPhoto has no knowledge of, and knows nothing of how the Aperture Library works. It cannot read the Aperture library.
EDIT: BTW: Lightroom has no knowledge of the other too at all. And Vice Versa.
Really, working with all three makes no sense to me. You'll be doing triple the work. It will unnecessarily complex and that's how you get data loss.
That and a dollar might get you a cup of coffee some places.
Regards
TD

IPhoto file container vs. Adobe Lightroom workflow

I primarily use Adobe Lightroom 3 to import and manage my digital imagery. (stills and video) There are features in iPhoto that I want to take advantage of but I have been unable to find a way to get iPhoto to accept my photos in the file structure where they reside. iPhoto insists on putting a copy of the files into it's own iPhoto container. Is there a way to force iPhoto 10 or 11 to use the file structure I maintain through Lightroom? I have been using a workaround of exporting my RAW files to a JPeg then importing that JPeg into iPhoto. When the project is done then I delete the files so I can eliminate the duplicate files on the hard drive. Is there a better way?

You can have iPhoto reference the files on disk - (The iPhoto advanced preference to "copy imported items to the iPhoto library" has been unchecked) which is strongly NOT recommended - but this has many issues including if the path changes for any reason - human - hardware failure or upgrade - updating the referenced links is difficult to impossible - plus any edits or changes done in iPhoto are not reflected in the referenced photos - if you only use them for projects and do not go back to them this should work for you
LN

Is Adobe Lightroom compatible with Mac's Final Cut Pro & iPhoto?

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I have 27" Mac Pro and I'm a Fine Art Photographer. I need features similar to LR. But I need to know ~ is it is compatible with my Final Cut Pro & iPhoto?

What kind of compatibility are you looking for?

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