Is Airport Extreme a real router ?

Hi,
Apple does advertise the AEBS as a router. But is it a genuine router?
When I compare this to other routers, then I am able to locate the WAN port in a different network as compared to the regular LAN ports or the Wireless.
So for example, can I:
- have a DSL connection from the AEBS, using 10.0.1.x (netmask 255.255.255.0)
- have the wireless and the ethernet port use 10.0.2.x (same netmask)
- have the AEBS route between these and not have the clients on the second network show the connections on the first.
If possible, how ?
If not, it is not a router i.m.h.o. What do you think ?
Regards and thanks,
Wim.

The AirPort Extreme base station (AEBS) is a real router. As with most products, the AEBS offers some features that other routers don't and the AEBS is lacking some features found on other routers. But the AEBS is still a router.
The AEBS LAN ports and wireless clients use the same subnet.
If the AEBS is NOT configured as a bridge, the WAN port exists on a different subnet. In that situation devices on the WAN side can NOT directly address devices on the LAN or wireless side.

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    Message was edited by: Jess1911

    I am not sure if there are different interfaces but my 2wire does an excellent job with line info.
    I get into this from browser.. using main IP.. in my case 10.0.0.138/MDC
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    Bridge. Although if it gives issues there is another method, although rather complex to setup.. not something to worry about now.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels
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