Is my motherboard faulty again?

Hello everyone,
At first, I want to excuse my bad English, and I hope someone help me.
Here I put the my PC specs:
Motherboard: MSI P43 Neo (MS-7519 ver. 1.0)
CPU: Intel E8400
GPU: Nvidia 9800GT XFX with 512 MB DDR3 RAM (order code PV-T98G-YDQ4)
RAM: OCZ DDR2-800 PC2-6400 PLATINUM XTC2 x 2
PSU: LC Power LC6600 Silent 600W
Case: Cooler Master CM690
I'm having some problems booting the PC if I have any USB device connected. In the first moments I had the motherboard, it was working great, instead of some times when I won't get the system response after the bootloader, and sometimes it also restarted itself.
After about 3 months, the problems have multiplied and the computer were booting only at some times, and then I was getting a BSOD (in Windows Vista) each about 4-6 hours. The windows error signal system told me to update the BIOS because there were problems communicating by RAM and CPU. So I updated the bios, and the system won't boot up (also the POST wasn't showed) for multiple times, each time I resetted the CMOS. After some times the system is started. The system also sometimes wasn't showing the POST.
So I contacted the seller, and I started an RMA process. After 9 days they tested the product, it resulted damaged, and they directly substitute it with a new one motherboard.
But now I am with the same problem: the system boot for how about 2 times, and after the problems returned, but for now I did not have any BSOD. The system won't go after the post if I've got any USB device attached. Sometimes also the system wasn't showing the POST.
I risked another time updating the BIOS, and so the situation changed a little. Now the system won't boot if I've any USB device attached. I updated the bios another time, and the system loaded the OS with also USB devices connected for only one time, and it also started immediately when I press the start button (because all other time it asked me about 3-5 seconds after start powering the system).
Now, what I do? Have I to insist substituting the motherboard, or request another model (but I think that the seller won't accord it to me)?
I tested RAM and it was good, booting the system out from the case won't resolve the problem.
Sorry for the very long (but detailed) post and I hope someone helps me. I'm so sad...

Quote from: youeffsee on 02-April-09, 03:57:25
That just might be your problem right there.Why did you update your bios in the 1st place.
You said in your 1st post that the system ran fine for 3 months or so.Is this right around the time you started flashing the bios?
Also flashing bios within windows is very risky....Did you use live update all these times to flash?
No. I used it only for the first and second time. The other times I updated from floppy. Sometimes (also in the first 3 months) the system didn't go after the bootloader.
The last times the system didn't go after the bootloader also if I had no USB peripherial connected, and for now I got 2 new BSODs after some time the system is turned on (with OS loaded succesfully).

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I noticed the warning notice about the installing 3.3V video cards in this motherboard, and I couldnt find out how many volts the Gainward is, but their are no jumpers on the card, so I dont think its a variable voltage card, and it has the 2 notches in the interface area so I assumed its an AGP4x and therefore not a 3.3V card.
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Apr 23 13:06:23 localhost kernel: [ 4352.016561] usb 4-1.4: device descriptor read/64, error -32
Apr 23 13:06:23 localhost kernel: [ 4352.186402] usb 4-1.4: device descriptor read/64, error -32
Apr 23 13:06:24 localhost kernel: [ 4352.422942] usb 4-1.4: device descriptor read/64, error -32
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Apr 23 13:07:56 localhost kernel: [ 4444.757146] usb 4-1.4: device descriptor read/64, error -32
Apr 23 14:11:57 localhost kernel: [ 8282.386352] usb 4-1.5: device descriptor read/all, error -110
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Apr 23 14:11:59 localhost kernel: [ 8284.404483] hub 4-1:1.0: cannot reset port 5 (err = -110)
Apr 23 14:12:00 localhost kernel: [ 8285.413533] hub 4-1:1.0: cannot reset port 5 (err = -110)
Apr 23 14:12:01 localhost kernel: [ 8286.422611] hub 4-1:1.0: cannot reset port 5 (err = -110)
Apr 23 14:12:02 localhost kernel: [ 8287.431678] hub 4-1:1.0: cannot reset port 5 (err = -110)
Apr 23 14:12:03 localhost kernel: [ 8288.440744] hub 4-1:1.0: cannot reset port 5 (err = -110)
Apr 23 14:12:03 localhost kernel: [ 8288.440749] hub 4-1:1.0: Cannot enable port 5. Maybe the USB cable is bad?
Apr 23 14:12:04 localhost kernel: [ 8289.449823] hub 4-1:1.0: cannot disable port 5 (err = -110)
Apr 23 14:12:05 localhost kernel: [ 8290.458889] hub 4-1:1.0: cannot reset port 5 (err = -110)
Apr 23 14:12:06 localhost kernel: [ 8291.467949] hub 4-1:1.0: cannot reset port 5 (err = -110)
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Apr 23 14:12:13 localhost kernel: [ 8298.531472] hub 4-1:1.0: cannot reset port 5 (err = -110)
Apr 23 14:12:14 localhost kernel: [ 8299.540543] hub 4-1:1.0: cannot reset port 5 (err = -110)
Apr 23 14:12:15 localhost kernel: [ 8300.549618] hub 4-1:1.0: cannot reset port 5 (err = -110)
Apr 23 14:12:15 localhost kernel: [ 8300.549623] hub 4-1:1.0: Cannot enable port 5. Maybe the USB cable is bad?
Apr 23 14:12:16 localhost kernel: [ 8301.558688] hub 4-1:1.0: cannot disable port 5 (err = -110)
Apr 23 14:12:16 localhost kernel: [ 8301.558698] hub 4-1:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 5
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Apr 23 14:12:46 localhost kernel: [ 8330.728529] hub 4-1:1.0: hub_port_status failed (err = -110)
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Apr 23 14:12:56 localhost kernel: [ 8340.819236] hub 4-1:1.0: hub_port_status failed (err = -110)
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In addition, the problem seemed to get another step worse yesterday. I had a few USB devices attached including a USB soundcard & was working away listening to music, when all of a sudden the music stopped & when I tailed the log the hub_port_status failed message was there again. So I hadn't connected or disconnected anything, it had sporadically broken!
I do not have a USB hub connected to the computer, the problem arises when using both the front & back USB ports. Incidentally I have exactly the same motherboard & processor in my computer at home (the computer with the problem is my computer at work) & have never had the issue, however I don't connect/disconnect USB devices to that one anywhere near as frequently.
So, any ideas? Is it a bug in software, or is the USB controller on this motherboard faulty?
Edit: the BIOS has an 'EHCI hand-off' feature that is currently disabled, will enabling it effect anything useful?
Last edited by lost eden (2012-04-24 10:42:02)

Today I faced similar problems, so I think I'm not OT here... Here's my dmesg output:
May 12 21:53:19 merlinux kernel: [ 860.673261] usb 5-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110
May 12 21:53:34 merlinux kernel: [ 875.883268] usb 5-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110
May 12 21:53:50 merlinux kernel: [ 891.199935] usb 5-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110
May 12 21:54:05 merlinux kernel: [ 906.409933] usb 5-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110
May 12 21:54:10 merlinux kernel: [ 911.637810] usb 5-1: device descriptor read/8, error -110
May 12 21:54:15 merlinux kernel: [ 916.754812] usb 5-1: device descriptor read/8, error -110
May 12 21:54:21 merlinux kernel: [ 921.981815] usb 5-1: device descriptor read/8, error -110
May 12 21:54:26 merlinux kernel: [ 927.097816] usb 5-1: device descriptor read/8, error -110
May 12 21:54:26 merlinux kernel: [ 927.199931] hub 5-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1
I realized after various attempts that logging into the system, opening a terminal and issuing a:
usb-devices
command, brings up again _all_ of the previously inactive usb devices.
My main problem was that the USB mouse got disabled with that "device descriptor" error -110 at startup, and it was annoying not to have a mouse after login.
To say all the truth, "usb-devices" stands still at a certain point of its execution for quite a long time: I guess that the problem lies just behind the moment in which usb-devices stucks!
But as I said, after about a 30s about pause it restores the faulty usb devices.
Really can't figure out (since I'm not so an advanced linux user) the reason for this behaviour!
I can only generically point my finger at the *huge* update I did this morning (was a little bit I didn't boot on my beloved Arch system, for many reasons...)
Just another note: before restoring the devices with usb-devices, lsusb does *not* show the inactive devices in the list. Maybe this is trivial for advanced users and its not so amazing, but I'm not so skilled so I felt I had to tell you also this little detail!

MSI P67-A GD53 Triple Power Cycle

Hi all,
1st of all let me introduce myself, my name is Damien and I have been a PC enthusiast ever since I built my 1st PC when I was 10 years old (15 years ago), I am a massive fan of the PC gaming scene etc and have always played games on my PC because it is so much better.
Now I have had a few issues over the past week or two with motherboard's and cpu's etc, and to give you a idea of how lucky I usually am with PCs this last week or two has been the worst time I have had with motherboard's and cpu's ever in my whole time of building PCs.
1st it was a motherboard that went bang, so was replaced then that replacement motherboard would not accept voltage changes and was trying to put 1.8v through my ram which was 1.5v max, then I replaced that board with another that blew up, so I then bought a new board and chip which turned out to be faulty again.
Now you may think I am going on but this will make sense in a minute, so I got fed up with buying faulty stuff so I went to a very good PC part's retailer in the UK called Scan Computer's, I have used them for quite a while now and spent a fortune in there.
Scan do pre overclocked bundle's where they overclock the CPU for you and test everything, so because of the trouble I have had I bought one which comes with a MSI P67-A GD53 motherboard but I have noticed some times when it boot's it will power up and then down and then up and down, again and then it will power up and boot in to window's.
My question is should it do this or not as I really don't want another faulty board.
Any help will greatly be received as I am now at wit's end with this PC.

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My question is should it do this or not as I really don't want another faulty board.
It shouldn't do this, but having said that, it is not uncommon on the Sandy Bridge platform, experienced infrequently on boards from different manufacturers.
I would be reluctant to advise you to meddle with a complete build from Scan without discussing it with them first.
We can probably give you advice on a couple of things you can try, but I don't know what your warranty conditions are if you mess with the BIOS.
Maybe you want to save your current BIOS settings as a profile first, so that you can load it again.
Then do a CMOS clear for now and see if it behaves any differently. >>Clear CMOS Guide<<
Please do provide your full system specs and what the current BIOS settings are, i.e. did you opt for a shop overclocked model ?>>Posting Guide<<

Sometimes cannot start PC: problem with Hitachi SATA Hard drive and K7N2G-ILSR

I have major problem with my 160Gb SATA Hitachi hard drive and my MSI K7N2G-ILSR motherboard. Sometimes the PC can be started, sometimes it cannot.
After I installed a clean build of Windows XP Pro SP1 onto my new hard drive (as the only hard drive in my PC) and install all the necessary drivers, the system runs smoothly. However, after about 2 to 3 weeks, sometimes when I start the PC, it cannot detect the hard drive and hence it claimes that it cannot find any VMI Pool Data (i.e. no OS detected). What makes it really horrible is that, it is like the lottery everytime when I start the PC. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. The highest record was 8 consecutive failures (by resetting or by turning the power off and on again) before I can start the machine properly. Also, the system sometimes just crashes in the middle of operating.
I have already sent the hard drive back to Hitachi. Got the same model of hard drive back as replacement, but the replacement has the same problem, except with the replacement drive the PC can be started eventually after many tries, while with the previous drive it is possible that the PC cannot be started until after a few days later.
Also, it seems that my drive can detect either SATA hard drive or PATA hard drive, but not both. (If I leave my old PATA drive connect in the primary IDE channel, Windows cannot detect the new SATA drive.)
Is my motherboard faulty? Can it only use PATA drive?
My PC's spec is as follows:
AMD Athlon XP 2500+
512Mb PC3200 SDRAM (set to run at 166MHz)
Hitachi 160Gb SATA Hard drive on 1st SATA channel (Model #HDS722516VLSA80)
Sony DVD+-RW drive and Panasonic DVD-ROM drive on secondary IDE channel
Use onboard video (GeForce MX)
US Robotech V92 internal PCI modem
SoundBlaster Audigy 2 Player soundcard
Onboard audio disabled
300W PSU
OS is Windows XP Pro SP1 (with all latest security patches up to date)

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Originally posted by Raven_
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Originally posted by boucher91
Along the same lines the sata drives use more power than the pata drives...
sata usually faster spin rate, pata is slower spin rate...
that is not entirly correct.
many harddrives just come with different ways to connect them.
the only sata drives i now that spins faster is western digital raptors 10k rpm.
all other is running at 7200rpm.
older drives run at 5400rpm
Yes to get the full benefit of RAID, the Raptors are the way to go.Anything else, no significant difference.

Dead Board or dead cpu?

i have ( had since it doesnt power on anymore) with the following
AMd 64 3500
K8N Neo2 platinum ( with latest bios)
lDDR400 2x 512meg Legend memory
Sata hard drive
Dvd combo MSi
Albatron 6800GT.
The machine refuse to power on . Press the power button nothing. tried different power supply nothing.
Disconnected vid card, drive , evrything ...no power on, well it switches on for like a millisec and goes dead again. if I press pwoer button again nothing, if i unplug then switch it does the millisec again then dies again.
I installed that Msi core application was set on cool and quiet no overclocking. this morning boot the machine the fan was at low speed temp was around 60 degrees, i got a message from that cor center saying temp to high .do you want to shut down I did immediatly. reprted temp was 80 degrees.
tried to reboot no power on cant even see the blue light on the case main switch.
Tried to reset Cmos to no avail.
Anyone has suggestion?
is the motherboard faulty or is it the cpu?

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Originally posted by Paul Foster
MSI sells thousands of these boards every month. If there was any sort of big problem we would be inundated by people. Instead we have the occasional person who is convinced it must be the mobo which is at fault without even trying to diagnose the problem.
I sure hope you aren't another one of those people. After all we really don't have anything to do with MSI except we also purchased a board, got it to work, and decided to try to give back something to the community by offering free advice to those who appreciate it.
BTW, anybody who has RMAed 3 mobos purchased it from a vendor who allows anything to be returned whether it is actually bad or not. You may get a bad mobo now and then, but two in a lifetime is stretching things, and 3 means you should have bought a $60 million lottery ticket instead of a PC.
I agree the chances of this happening are ultra slim not to say impossible. Something else would have to be wrong with is set up. I guess I am frustrated by the all thing.
When I bought this machine I decided that with a high end system ( never having owned one bfr) I should have it speced and built for me> So I gave a list of conmponent to MSI delaler and said " ok these are my specs you make it with whatever will perform well and not give me grief and compatibility problems". when i received the system I could not install winxp, the ram DDR400 was in the wrong slots.
That was rectified, everything worked ok ( actually I was very Happy with My system)
High frame rates in games , no freezes after install of SP1. was all good. I am not saying outright ho this MSI 's fault. I am just trying to understand what went wrong, so it doesn't happen again. And i Understand that such new design cannot work 100% of the time and future Bios may aleviate problems experienced by users
When you get a failure you tend generally to blame the latest application or bit of hardware or driver you have installed ( it's human to jump to conclusion).
Lets state the facts in a rational way.
1) my board died foir no apparent reason. ( so it seems I am waiting on the test results. but I assume it did it seems logical)
2)i did not add any hardware, or open the case system was performing great exept for the fact that the fans were going full speed all the time . so a quick look at msi web site + MSI update software, which by the way is great ( finds latest bios , utilitiy version etc all from 1 mouse click, all good)
I installed core centre 1.7 that supports my board, it seemed to work too, fan speed seemed to decrease with temperature, was happy with it.
3 days later system is dead.
NB temp was never reported said N/a What does NB STANDS FOR?
system temp reprted 7 degrees
core temp was between 47 and 60 reported ( 60 after a game 41 to 47 idling or little activity)
so beeing Human and beeing a brand new system I wonder If that core centre app could have reported wrong temperatures giving me a false sens of security while the system temp may have in fact be much higher than reproted? and consequently the motherboard or processor or both are now fried....

848P Won't reboot - just hangs!?

Hi,
I recently installed the new 848P motherboard and it works fine most of the time. But sometimes when i switch it on the screen just stays black and if i check the Diagnostic lights on the pci card light no 2 (Memory Check) stays lit. According to the manual this indicates the memory has failed initial tests?
I'm using PC3200 400Mhz DDR 1GB (2 x512MB) - which is brand new.
I though my old 848P might have had a problem so this is my second 848P and it does the same thing.
Weird though as most of the time it works fine. Another strange and very irrating thing is that when i go to Reboot from Windows XP it shuts down and fails to start up. The power stays on but the screen is blank.
If my memory was bad it wouldn't start up at all or work properly at all would it?
At the moment its hit and miss whether it will boot and reboot successfully, but when it does boot and load XP ok it runs fine....
Any ideas?

Hi NovJoe,
Thankyou for your reply, your help is very much appreciated.
I should point out, although its probably obvious ;-) , that i'm not an overclocker - it does interest me but i have zero experience of timings etc...
Words fail me as to why MSI have released a motherboard which fails to work with standard PC3200 DDR RAM. What happened to the days of checking the spec of the mobo and just ordering memory as usual.
Having checked around i now found there are memory compatibility charts showing memory which does or doesn't work with the different types of MSI boards out there. This seems absoultely crazy to me. Whats even more crazy is that the compatibillty charts for the 848P arn't even up to date, mostly showing only 256MB strips from companies i've never heard of!
Never in my 12 years of working in IT have i ever had so many problems getting 1 component to work properly. I have wasted so much time and sleep looking into what has been causing my system problems and now that it seems CL3 memory or timing settings are to blame.
Why don't MSI make a point of making this clear to prospective customers. This board is more pickier than a Vegetarian in a Butchers shop as far as memory goes! There is no mention of the more detailed spec's of the memory thats likely to work with this board on MSI's site whatsoever...
As i mentioned before in other postings, i actually sent the first 848P board back to my supplier beleiving it to be faulty! This is really going to damage MSI's reputation if they don't get the boards compatibility up to scratch and more importantly give much better information on what and what not to use!
I really don't like the fact that the 2 x 512MB CL3 Crucial memory that i bought won't work without some tweeking in the BIOS - if it does at all. My system works fine if i leave just one strip in, so for some reason it doesn't like both in at the same time.....
For those of you reading this that might be having the same problems, the DDR ram i am trying to use is :
Crucial 2 x 512MB 184DIMM PC3200 NP CL3 - Manfacturer code CT6464Z40B
Therefore, to save my sanity and my wallet. Please can you tell me what will work with this 848P.
I have shortlisted 2 decent looking memory chips :
Kingston Value 512MB 184DIMM PC3200 NP CL2.5 KVR400X64C3A/512 - Heres the URL for it ( http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/configurator/PartsInfo.asp?ktcpartno=KVR400X64C25/512 )
I found the Kingston memory by using their memory locator for MSI boards, it listed the 256MB version of this chip as compatible but there was no mention of the KVR400X64C3A/512 that i want...... i want to go for this i as noticed you NovJoe use Kingston Value RAM and i want CL2.5 latency! ;-)
The other is :-
Corsair (TWINX1024-3200C2) 1024MB DDR400 Memory Module - This is more expensive but i'm concerned that there is no mention of latency for this memory on the supplier or manufacturers website...
I really have been looking for hours, searching the msi forums for both of these memory strips to see if others mention them, i've searched long and hard on the net to try and find which are compatible too.... Although MSI memory compatible list has quite a few types on there the main makes available to me are either Kingston or Corsair.
I've never known a situation like this before, why oh why is this motherboard so damn picky about which RAM it will work, why should i need to set it up in the BIOS - without this forum and your kind help i'd have absolutely no idea where to start and would just assume tha the mobo was faulty again!
I'm really angry about this, but please don't think any anger is directed at you NovJoe, i'd really appreciate your help getting this working.
I'm sending the Crucial memory back today, so i'd really appreciate your decision on which DDR400 to buy to use in the 848P - i'd like 1GB in total.
Thank You

The person Im calling cant hear me

I have the Z3 compact and when I make a phone call I am constantly getting told by the reciever that they cant hear me or its a bad line, I always have a good signal and can hear them perfectly....what is the problem? also what settings should my phone be set to in call settings for best voice calls? I have just urgraded to 4.4.4 also (not sure if that helps)thanks for your response.

Yes just untick the noise suppression and voice enchantment.. It worked for me, i thought my phone was faulty again bcz i just changed my motherboard.. Bt when i untick those 2 boxes, everything went bck to normal

N660TI PE 2GD5/OC Blank Screen on POST

Hi,
The Summary:
Turning on PC with N660TI plugged in presents blank screen on POST.
Am able to get the card working by "jump starting it" - read below for details
Have tried many things and am stuck.
Please help!
The Detail:
I was given a N660TI PE 2GD5/OC in October last year from the US as a gift (I live in South Africa) and when it first arrived I placed it in my Asus P8P67 Evo Motherboard and it failed to POST completely. We tried it in my friends Asus P8P67 board and it worked 100%, his MSI 560TI works 100% in my P8P67 Evo. In December, Asus released a BIOS update for the P8P67 Evo to bring it on-par with the P8P67 and we could get the 660TI to POST by booting the machine with no PCI-E Power plugs installed, waiting for the message to appear to say "plug in power to the card", then plugging in power and hitting the RESET button on the board - this works everytime and I have been "jump starting" my pc like this for some time. We have tried BIOS updates and VBios updates and eventually today, I got fed up and bought a MSI Z77A-GD65 thinking it was a faulty P8P67 Evo.
After installing the MSI Z77A-GD65 the situation is the same. We have now updated the MSI to the latest BETA UEFI Bios (A91) and the 660TI to the latest vbios I found on the forums which is 220MS.Rom.
Tonight, my friend will take the card and try it on his motherboard (P8P67) again and we will update the post tomorrow.
Has anyone got any suggestions for us as I am at my wits end and as I received the card as a gift from overseas, the local Distributors will not help me and I will have to send it to Europe at an expense of about 60% of the cost of a new card locally which doesn't really make much financial sense :(
My Hardware:
Intel Core I5-2500K (Stock)
MSI Z77A-GD65 Motherboard (was ASUS P8P67 Evo)
Coolermaster 600W Silent Pro Gold PSU
MSI N660TI PE 2GD5/OC (Stock)
2x Corsair XMS3 4GB DDR3-1600
Windows 8 Pro 64-Bit
OCZ Agility 3 SSD
N660TI PE S/N: 602-V284-09SB1208153785
Thanks
--Craig

Ok I seem to have solved the problem. I replaced my PSU with a 450w spare one and now it POSTs - I must mention the 600W Coolermaster does work 100% with my friends 560 Ti and another card, so there is nothing wrong with the PSU itself.
My Windows was also crashing the driver after this every 5 mins, but after changing the TDRDelay registry key to 20, it is stable the whole night so far.
Any ideas why this card does not POST with my VERY expensive PSU. I have read on Tomshardware that apparently some PSUs cause the card not to POST because of changes MSI made to the card?

Is my motherboard faulty again?

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