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I'm sure someone must have a little bit of advice or guidance that they could give regarding an earlier post about a nokia 5800. Go on, give me a bit of help, please!

what was the earlier post that would be some help to us
If  i have helped at all a click on the white star below would be nice thanks.
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    That sounds pretty harsh, unless you have been doing *other* things to antagonize your Spousal Unit.  You are among friends here, where purchasing a Palm handheld is presumptive evidence of one's intelligence and good judgment (not to mention good looks).  Even "impulse purchases" are usually made for at least one good reason, even if it's only: "I've always wanted one of those..."
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    That is correct, you cannot simply plug the E2 into any old computer with a USB cable if the Palm Desktop software isn't installed, at least out of the box.  The older (and discontinued) T5 and also the LifeDrive used to have this capability which was called "Drive Mode."  There are third-party software alternatives such as http://www.softick.com/cardexport2/ which will let a SD card inserted in your E2 to be read as any other external storage card.  It is a "try before you buy" application, so you can give it a test drive for free.  I have not used it, and I think there are also others.
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    If you do have a Bluetooth phone, and a carrier that allows this connectivity, you can use your E2 anywhere you have a cell phone signal to browse the internet and check email.  Now, you are correct that if your phone is already so enabled, you *can* just do those things on your phone without having to go through the setup, etc.  But many people think the email and web functionality of the E2 is pretty superior to what you get on most cell phones.  If it's Wi-Fi you want, you can get a Palm Wi-Fi card.  It is apparently a discontinued item, but still available at many online vendors including amazon.
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    Message Edited by smkranz on 11-03-2008 02:11 PM
    smkranz
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