JSF Ri 1.1: Conversion executed in the wrong life cycle?

Question

Hi,
If you look at the converter api doc of getObjectAs it states: "Convert the specified string value, which is associated with the specified UIComponent, into a model data object that is appropriate for being stored during the Apply Request Values phase of the request processing lifecycle."
However when I run a simple test with a debug phaselistener and a converter and they print data using system.out.println I see that the getAsObject is called in the process validations phase. I think this is incorrect. Has anybody seen this before?
With kind regards,
/Arnoud.
Before:RESTORE_VIEW 1
After:RESTORE_VIEW 1
Before:APPLY_REQUEST_VALUES 2
After:APPLY_REQUEST_VALUES 2
Before:PROCESS_VALIDATIONS 3
Converter getAsObject
After:PROCESS_VALIDATIONS 3
Before:UPDATE_MODEL_VALUES 4
After:UPDATE_MODEL_VALUES 4
Before:INVOKE_APPLICATION 5
After:INVOKE_APPLICATION 5
Before:RENDER_RESPONSE 6
Converter getAsString
After:RENDER_RESPONSE 6

Answer 1

It seems then, that the 1.1 specification has contradictions:
Under Section "3.3.2 Converter" it clearly reads as it was quoted above:
+This method [getAsObject] is used to convert the presentation view of a component’s value+
+(typically a String that was received as a request parameter) into the corresponding+
+model view. It is called during the Apply Request Values phase of the request+
processing lifecycle.
There is no mention here of the immediate flag, so one should be able to assume that
Apply Request Values is the phase in which the getAsObject method is normally executed.
Then there's there's this quote from Section "2.2.2 Apply Request Values":
Components that implement EditableValueHolder (such as UIInput), and
whose immediate property is set to true, will cause the conversion and
validation processing (including the potential to fire ValueChangeEvent events)
+that normally happens during Process Validations phase to occur during Apply+
Request Values phase instead.
How can it be that conversion "normally happens during Process Validations phase"
when a converter's getAsObject method is called called during the Apply Request Values
phase? Isn't that contradictory?