Keyword - Synonym bug?

Please could someone confirm whether this is a known bug, or something particular to my set-up...
My workflow is: shoot RAW, select images, keyword, Edit in Photoshop (TIFF).
The problem I have is that the keywords I add to the RAW images correctly get embedded in the TIFF file when the file is created as a result of "Edit in Photoshop", except that the synonyms do not. i.e. After I open the image in PShop I can see all the keywords (including parents where I have requested them to be shown) but no synonyms!!!
I'm using latest release of LR/PShop on Vista 64.
Any help would be appreciated as I am not looking forward to having to hunt for all keywords containing synonyms and creating/applying dedicated keywords for the synonyms (kind of defeats the point of synonyms!).
Thanks!

Personally, I think your approach is the correct one; once a file is generated it should have all the keywords embedded. However, LR's approach is at least consistent. The RAW file doesn't have the synonyms either until it is exported in some way. When you open the RAW directly into PS without going through LR the synonyms aren't embedded.
I think Adobe has taken the approach that LR manages the keywords until you export the final product for use elsewhere. You wouldn't need to re-import the TIFF since it is already in LR with its synonyms. It's just that they aren't embedded at that point.
I would raise this issue with Adobe by filing it as either a bug report or a feature request at http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

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Come on, Brett,
That is no solution to Simone's problems!
She wants the full LR capability of keyword hierarchies plus synonyms on any level. This should work if you export out of LR and back in. Especially if you share such a photo with a different person.
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Mistrustful aren't we?
1. Using iPhoto Library Manager to rebuild a Library requires no purchase. You can download and use the app for free. Some extra features (like merging libraries) require a purchase. So, even if I had a beneficial interest in iPhoto Library Manager what would it gain me when the most frequent (by a mile...) use I suggest the app for costs nothing.
I don't know that I'm a "vocal advocate" for the application. I recommend it as a way to solve library corruption issues. I'm not the only person on here who does. All the most experienced posters here do. There's a reason for that. It's the best solution on offer.
2. I have no interest in, financial relationship with, or anything to gain from anyone using iPhoto Library Manager for any reason whatever. Neither do I have anything to gain from your using Apple products - I'm neither an employee nor a shareholder - or indeed, any other hardware or software.
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Rebuild with iPhoto's own tools - that hasn't worked for you
Restore from a known-good back up. That's the next best option
Everything from now on means some data loss
Rebuild with iPhoto Library Manager - minimise the data loss
Make a new Library and start over from scratch. Maximum pain and dataloss.
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