KonaSD Captured Material & Edit to Tape Offset Craziness

System Configuration: Final Cut Pro v5.0.3, AJA KonaSD, Keyspan USA-28x USB-->Serial Adapter, ATTO UL3D SCSI card
Summary: A Playback Offset of -3 frames is needed to have a slate (.mov export from Adobe After Effects) inserted into a Digital Betacam tape at the same timecode address as where it is located on the Final Cut Pro timeline. Material captured by the KonaSD card requires an additional -3 frame offset in order to be inserted into a Digital Betacam tape at the same timecode address as where it is located on the Final Cut Pro timeline. If I go to Audio/Video Settings-->Device Control-->Device Control Preset Editor-->Playback Offset and set the offset to -3 frames, the slate will be inserted at the proper timecode address on a Digital Betacam tape. When that same sequence has KonaSD captured material that needs to be inserted as well, the KonaSD captured material must be moved 3 frames closer to the start of the sequence in order to have it inserted into the Digital Betacam tape at the proper timecode address.
Steps to Reproduce:
1. Load a .mov export from Adobe After Effects into a Final Cut Pro sequence, and spot it at 00:59:50:00.
2. Load KonaSD captured material into the same Final Cut Pro sequence, and spot it at 01:00:00:00.
3. Go to Audio/Video Settings-->Device Control-->Device Control Preset Editor-->Playback Offset and set a playback offset of -3 frames.
4. Perform an edit to tape (insert edit) with a DVW-A500.
Expected Results: The slate should appear at 00:59:50:00 on the Digital Betacam tape, and the KonaSD captured material should appear at 01:00:00:00 on the Digital Betacam tape.
Actual Results: The KonaSD captured material appears at 01:00:00:03 on the Digital Betacam tape. It is edited to tape three (3) frames late.
Regression: This problem did not exist with Final Cut Pro HD with Mac OS X v10.3.9.
Notes: The only workaround is to manually shift the KonaSD captured material three (3) frames earlier in the timeline.
Does anyone have any insight as to what is going on here?
Thanks for reading!

It has been my experience that FW control never results in perfectly frame accurate edits.
Since you have the BR-DV3000U deck, you have the option of serial control. I believe you might be able to get frame accurate edits with that, but I cannot say for sure.
Patrick

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