Layers in Tables

I want to stack layers in a table cell. However, I can't seem
to find a way to stack them properly. I've tried absolute
positioning in CSS but the layers do not auto size with my browser.
I have also tried the relative positioning, but instead of stacking
the layers, it just puts one below the other. Can anyone help me
stack layers in a table cell so that they also auto size with the
browser - i.e. an absolute position inside a table cell? Is this
possible?
Thanks

You do not need to use layers to do this. And you never
should put
absolutely positioned elements directly into table cells!
Investigate the use of DW's SetText behavior. It allows you
to change the
text content of any non-anonymous element on the page in
response to an
event. For example, your selection of a radio button could
call this
behavior to change the text displayed in any other cell on
the page,
provided that cell has been given an ID value, e.g.,
<td id="special">This cell has an ID</td>
> But, when I set
> the positioning of these children layers, they resort
back to the body as
> the
> parent layer
Before using 'layers' or any absolutely positioned element,
it's a good
thing to take the time to understand positioning -
This may help you understand positioning a bit -
There are 4 different types of positioning:
Absolute
Relative
Fixed
Static
Here is a brief explanation of each kind of positioning (with
regard to
placement of elements on the page only)....
Position:absolute (or A/P elements)
This does several things -
1. It 'removes' the element from the flow of the code on
the page so that
it can no longer influence the size or position of any other
page element
(except for those contained within it, of course).
2. The absolutely positioned element takes its position from
the position of
its closest PARENT *positioned* element - in the
absence of any explicitly
positioned parent, this will default to the <body> tag,
which is always
positioned
at 0,0 in the browser viewport.
This means that it doesn't matter where in the HTML code the
layer's code
appears (between <body> and </body>), its
location on the screen will not
change (this assumes that you have not positioned the A/P
element within
a table or another A/P element, of course).
Furthermore, the space in
which
this element would have appeared were it not positioned
is not preserved
on the screen. In other words, absolutely positioned elements
don't take
up any space on the page. In fact, they FLOAT over the page.
Position:relative (or R/P elements)
In contrast to absolute positioning, a relatively positioned
page element is
*not* removed from the flow of the code on the page, so
it will use the
spot
where it would have appeared based on its position in
the code as its
zero point reference. If you then supply top, right,
bottom, or left
positions
to the style for this element, those values will be
used as offsets from
its
zero point.
This means that it DOES matter where in the code the
relatively positioned
element appears (, as it will be positioned in that location
(factoring in
the offsets) on the screen (this is true for any placement in
the code).
Furthermore, the space where this element would have
appeared is
preserved in the display, and can therefore affect the
placement of
succeeding elements. This means that the taller a relatively
positioned element is, the more space it forces on the page.
Position:static
As with relative position, static positions also "go with
the flow". An
element with a static position cannot have values for
offsets (top, right,
left, bottom) or if it has them, they will be ignored. Unless
explicitly
positioned, all div elements default to static positioning.
Position:fixed
A page element with this style will not scroll as the page
content scrolls.
Support for this in elements other than page backgrounds is
quirky
There are several other things you need to know:
1. ANY page element can be positioned - paragraphs, tables,
images, lists,
etc.
2. The <div> tag is a BLOCK level tag. This means that
if it is not
positioned or explicitly styled otherwise, a) it will always
begin on a new
line on the screen, and b) it will always force content to a
new line below
it, and c) it will always take up the entire width of its
container (i.e.,
width:100%).
3. The placement of A/P elements *can* affect the BEHAVIOR of
other
elements
on the page. For example, a 'layer' placed over a hyperlink
will mask that
hyperlink.
You can see a good example of the essential difference
between absolute and
relative positioning here -
http://www.great-web-sights.com/g_layersdemo.asp
You can see a good demonstration of why using layers for a
page layout tool
is dangerous here -
http://www.great-web-sights.com/g_layer-overlap.asp
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> The table is how I layout my page. I want to stack
layers in a cell so
> that
> when a visitor toggles a radio button, the layers will
appear or disappear
> based on what is toggled. I've tried to set a blank
layer in the cell as
> a
> parent layer and nest the other layers inside of that
layer. But, when I
> set
> the positioning of these children layers, they resort
back to the body as
> the
> parent layer. I just don't know what to do.
>

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"darkpwca" <[email protected]> wrote in
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> I'm reading a lot about how we should not use layers and
tables when
> creating a
> website in Dreamweaver because of something called
"absolute placement"
> (or
> something), which is the reason the text in my website
is constantly
> misaligned
> or overlapping when opened up in Firefox. Although, I've
never had this
> problem
> before for the past three years I've been using
Dreamweaver to create my
> sites,
> which is what's most frustrating I think.
>
> So, I guess I'm wondering how, then, do I create a
webpage in Dreamweaver
> WITHOUT using layers and tables? The only thing I've
been able to do w/o
> layers/tables is to literally hit "enter" and "tab"
continuously until the
> cursor is somewhere close to where I want it to be on
the page. But that
> seems
> a little old-school (for lack of a better term) to
really be the way to do
> it.
>
> Also, if I've used a lot of layers/tables already in my
website, is the
> general recommendation for be to rebuild my site
completely w/o
> layers/tables,
> or is it feasible for me to have someone who knows HTML
just come in and
> fix
> the actual HTML code for me to make it all work?
>
> Ideally, I just want something to help me fix this
problem w/o having to
> hire
> someone else to come in, cause I've been working this
site for about a
> year now
> and am just now finally getting it up online only to
find that the way it
> looks
> online is not the way it looks in Dreamweaver. I'd
really really
> appreciate any
> suggestions/advice.
>
> Thank you so much!
>

Multi layer table view/navigation controller hierarchy best practice

Hi,
I am new to iPad/iPhone development and wondering what the best practice for multiple layers of table views is? I understand the principle of a navigation controller providing the framework for moving up and down a list but have not yet quite got my head around if you should have one navigation controller for the whole tree or several navigation controllers.
In my app I need to have the following:
Main view -> window view showing some interactive elements (picker, buttons etc.)
Setup view -> Hierarchy managed by nav controller/table views
The setup view needs to manage the following hierarchy...
- Level A:
- Global app variables (one table view)
- Level B Items (table view showing list of items at belonging to Level B)
- Level B Item 1 (table view showing list of items at level C belonging to level B item 1)
- Level C Item 1 (table view showing list of items at level D belonging to level C item 1)
- Level D Item 1 (table view showing list of items at level E belonging to level D item 1)
- Level E item (table view for properties of item at Level E)
- Level D Item n
- Level C Item n
- Level B Item n
Each level in this has some properties and then a list of child items.
What would be the best way of structuring this? I would assume that creating a class that extends a view controller for each level is a given but what about the control of the navigation? Should this be handled by one navigation controller or one per level? I think I know the right answer but have not seen a neat way of implementing
I think I am also best off having each level in it's own xib but, once again, am not 100% sure that this is the best design pattern.
Many thanks in advance for any help/pointers!
Cheers
jez

Hi Julian,
I have struggled with the same questions you are addressing. On a previous project we tried to model based on packages, but during the course of the project we encountered some problems that grew overtime. The main problems were:
1. It is hard to enforce rules on package assignments
2. With multiple developers on the project and limited time we didn't have time to review package assignment
3. Devopelers would click away warnings that an object was already part of another project and just continue
4. After go-live the maintenance partner didn't care.
So, my experience is is that it is a nice feature, but only from a high level design point of view. In real life it will get messy and above all, it doesn't add much value to the development. On my neew assignment we are just working with packages based on functional area and that works just fine.
Roy

Building Websites with Layers

I have had many problems in building websites with layers,in
particular with Template Changes , I take it that Tables are a more
reliable and better method then using Layers , my concern are that
Tables from what I can see are not as easy to position and when I
go into Layout mode and Try adding table cells I cannot put a Table
cell at the Top of the screen , there is allways a small gap that
leaves a White bar at the top of my website.
So what are the Best Methods .?. Use Frames to dive up your
page then use tables for the majority of the content with the
occasional layer.?.

>I have had many problems in building websites with
layers,in particular
>with
> Template Changes
These two are not related. Poor development methods will
break in new and
confusing ways at the drop of a pin, with no causal
relationship between the
two.
> I take it that Tables are a more reliable and better
method
Tables are not more reliable, and they are sometimes a better
way of doing
certain layout requirements. Layers are a poor method to use
for layer
period.
> So what are the Best Methods
Learn HTML and learn tables and learn CSS. There are no magic
wands here.
You are stuck in this 'layers/frames/tables' mentality. Leave
that at the
door.
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"SPECTRASORT" <[email protected]> wrote in
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>I have had many problems in building websites with
layers,in particular
>with
> Template Changes , I take it that Tables are a more
reliable and better
> method
> then using Layers , my concern are that Tables from what
I can see are not
> as
> easy to position and when I go into Layout mode and Try
adding table cells
> I
> cannot put a Table cell at the Top of the screen , there
is allways a
> small gap
> that leaves a White bar at the top of my website.
>
> So what are the Best Methods .?. Use Frames to dive up
your page then use
> tables for the majority of the content with the
occasional layer.?.
>

Tables, CSS or XML ?

Hi there, I'm new on WEB design and programming, I'm using
the Studio 8 suite, and I've started from the dreamweaver "livedoc"
to create a site, there are three different ways explained in that
document tables, CSS levels and XML/XLT. What is the best way and
why?
I have some problems already to make it works with the CSS
levels, because once I've added the colour to the levels and to the
main page the levels aren't visible. Why? thank you.

> tables, CSS levels and XML/XLT.
CSS levels?
Here's a post I have repeated (and updated) more than once
here about layers
and tables -
you may find it helpful -
> If you need to use layers, then use them. If you want to
begin using
> CSS-P
> methods, then use them by all means! But learn how to
use them first -
>
>
http://www.great-web-sights.com/g_layerlaws.asp
>
> The word "layer" was first coined by Netscape when it
introduced its
> heinous
> and ill-fated <layer> tag with NN4x. It has since
been adopted by the
> community to generally refer to absolutely positioned
<div> tags, and
> Dreamweaver has
> propagated that usage. In fact, there is really no such
HTML thing as a
> layer, but for the purposes of this discussion let's use
the Dreamweaver
> sense of applying that term to absolutely positioned
<div>s.
>
> ==============================
> In plain talk, a layer is like a magic carpet - it
floats above your page
> content (any page content, including tables, images,
text, etc.). It is
> unaffected by page margin settings because it is not
really *on* the page.
> You can whisk it around on the page to provide motion
(using timelines).
> You can make it visible or invisible using any of the
actions appropriate
> to
> your browser selection (like onMouseOver, onClick,
onLoad, etc.). You can
> dynamically clip or scroll the contents of layers to
provide a windowed
> effect within a page. Layers are wondrous constructs
that let you bring
> your pages to life! Get to know them - they are your
friends....
> =================
>
> I would add in clarification and elaboration that layers
are positionable
> elements and as such allow you to put content at any
location you desire,
> regardless of the remainder of the content on the page.
>
> The downside to layers is the flip-side of their real
benefit. Because
> they
> are absolutely positioned, they will be static page
elements, i.e., they
> will not move to reflect changes in your browser
viewport size *unless*
> you
> apply some custom javascript to the page that makes the
layers move, or
> *unless* you use
> specific CSS-P techniques to make them move. There
> is no native support in HTML for moving layers - that's
why it must be
> done
> with custom js or advanced CSS.
>
> If you consider that a 'layer' is really just a
'division' or <div> tag on
> the page, and that you can use
> CSS to position this <div> tag, as well as control
the format of its
> contents and how it interacts with
> other content around it, then you can see how valuable
it might be for use
> as a page layout tool!
> This impression is certainly true. As you become more
familiar with CSS,
> you will learn how to
> replace a large part of your current page layout
methodology with pure CSS
> positioned page
> elements. But it's something you should take your time
with. It *is* the
> way of the future, so at
> some point we will all have to come to grips with using
CSS in this
> manner.
>
> Some people use layers exclusively for page layout
because of the ease
> with
> which they can be positioned. I do not recommend this
approach for anyone
> that is new to layers or to CSS in general because it
can be confusing and
> troublesome. This is partucularly the case if you will
have multiple
> layers, each
> containing nominally uncontrolled/unstyled text. Viewers
resizing this
> text in their
> browsers will see a disappointing overlap of paragraphs
that is surely NOT
> what you desire.
>
>
http://www.great-web-sights.com/g_layer-overlap.asp
>
> Tables, on the other hand, are most everything that
layers are not! They
> are flexible page elements, in that native HTML can
center, or right or
> left
> align a table - in other words, they can float around on
your page
> depending
> on the browser's viewport width. Although originally
added to HTML as a
> means of displaying tabular data *only*, tables quickly
became the
> principal
> structural element used in page layout. They can be made
rigid in order
> to
> provide a stable base for your page elements, including
text, images,
> Flash,
> etc. They are easy to use and to learn (more or less),
and behave in
> (mostly) predictable ways across browser and platform
combinations - but
> there are quirks that must be learned to use them
successfully. Luckily,
> most of these quirks are discussed here daily and are
illuminated on the
> several sites devoted to Dreamweaver/HTML issues,
including the Macromedia
> Technotes link in my sig below. In spite of these
quirks, however, if you
> intend
> to be a credible web developer, you must learn how to
build stable tables
> with
> your hands behind your back!
>
> So - to summarize...
>
> If you want motion on your page, you must use layers. If
you want bedrock
> for your page layout, you must use tables at this point.
Or not
> (particularly when you
> consider what you can do with CSS positioned page
elements and NO tables
> at
> all -
http://www.csszengarden.com).
And make sure that you understand this -
http://apptools.com/examples/pagelayout101.php
>
> Bear in mind that advanced use of these two page
elements can
> *significantly* blur these two criteria.
>
> And remember, the use of one does not preclude the use
of the other on the
> same page.
> Use them both if the spirit moves you.
>
> There you go....
>
>
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"Francesco Marchese" <[email protected]>
wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi there, I'm new on WEB design and programming, I'm
using the Studio 8
> suite,
> and I've started from the dreamweaver "livedoc" to
create a site, there
> are
> three different ways explained in that document tables,
CSS levels and
> XML/XLT. What is the best way and why?
> I have some problems already to make it works with the
CSS levels, because
> once I've added the colour to the levels and to the main
page the levels
> aren't visible. Why? thank you.
>

Working with layers with centered page

Is it possible to work with layers (Draw Layer) when you want
your site to
be centered. So far I´ve worked with centered (middle)
Layout Table, but
then I have to work with Laoyt Cells - i.e. I cannot use
layers.

Of course you can use layers with tables. Just work in
Standard mode, not
layout mode to do that. And please take the time to learn
about layers
before you use them -
http://www.great-web-sights.com/g_layerlaws.asp
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> Is it possible to work with layers (Draw Layer) when you
want your site to
> be centered. So far I´ve worked with centered
(middle) Layout Table, but
> then I have to work with Laoyt Cells - i.e. I cannot use
layers.
>
>
>

Centering pages built with layers

I've built a website using layers (not tables) in GoLive (Windows). How do I center it in the browser window? (Because my layers overlap, I can't put them into a table.) Is it possible?

> Is it possible?
Certainly, although when you finish you will still have a sow's ear of
problems with content in your absolutely positioned containers ('layers').
Do you know about those? The most troublesome one is the one that occurs
when you browse to the page and increase the browser's text size display.
The problem is caused by the inherent nature of absolute positioned
elements - they expand vertically (or even overflow if a height has been
specified for them) without regard for any other content on the page.
At any rate here's how to center -
It depends on whether you are using absolute positioning on the page, as to
which method might be best, but in either event, this will work -
Change this -
to this -
#wrapper { width:760px; margin:0 auto;position:relative; }
/* 760px will display on an 800px screen maximized browser window without */
/* horizontal scrollbars. */
change this -
(the ellipsis represents any other attributes that might be mentioned in the
body tag, and SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED EXPLICITLY!)
to this -
and this -
to this -
and see if that helps.
Murray

HOW TO: Add /manipulate columns for a GridControl

HOW TO: Add /manipulate columns for a GridControl when the columns (attributes) are from different entity objects.
This HOWTO describes the basic steps of using attributes from different entity objects for a GridControl.
One way you can create a GridControl which contain attributes from different entity objects is to create a view object and base it on the entity objects which contain
the desired attributes.
Here are the basic steps:
1.Create a new view object (or use an existing view object) by selecting File>New from the menu, clicking the Business Components tab and double-clicking
on the View Object icon.
2.In the View Object wizard change the name to something meaningful.
3.Select the entity objects you will base your view object on.
4.Nivigate to the attribute screen and select the attributes you would like to include in your view object from each entity object. At this point you can also create
a new attribute by clicking the "New" button. The new attribute can be a concatenation of other attributes, derived from a calculation etc.
5.In the query panel of the View Object wizard, click "Expert mode" and enter a query statement. You write complex queries such as decoding a set of attribute
values.
6.Add your newly to your newly created view object to the application module by double-clicking on the application module in the navigation pane and selecting
your view object from the list.
7.Create a new row set.
8.Bind row set to a query by editing their queryinfo property and selecting your view object and its attributes from the queryInfo pane.
9.Create a GridControl and bind it to the row set by editing the dataItemName property of the GridControl. Since the GridControl is bound at the row set level
all of the related attributes are automatically added.
null

Michael,
Are you intending this as a commercial solution or a work around?
To take an existing equivalent, one would build a view in the database tailored for each grid in an Oracle Forms application. Or a separate query layered over tables for each form/grid in a Delphi or Access application? Even if it is ninety nine percent the same over half a dozen forms/grids?
And now you've added a whole slew of "slightly different" rowSetInfos to maintain.
So if you wanted to add a column that needs to appear everywhere... you've just increased the workload multi-fold?
That would be a management nightmare, wouldn't it? Not to mention yet more performance cost and a slower system?
Hmmmm..... I'm not sure I like where this is headed... someone needs to do some convincing...
null

How to add Navigation attributes values via ABAP while creation of CVC

Hi,
I have a requirement like, I have to add navigational attributes to the cvc record while CVC creation ( /sapapo/mc62 transaction).
There were two scenarios: 1. Usually when they load master data from BW side those navigation attributes available and when we do CVC creation it's automatically picks those values. If NOT then i have to bring Market segment and Business unit navigational attributes values from ECC via RFC function module by passing MPN and End customer division as a input.
I am facing problem when BW side if business unit and Market segment were blank.
Do we have any Function modules available to add navigational attributes data and should update corresponding master data tables.
Please help me step by step process on this.
Thanks
Ravi
Edited by: REDDY KALLURI on Jan 22, 2011 10:30 PM

Michael,
Are you intending this as a commercial solution or a work around?
To take an existing equivalent, one would build a view in the database tailored for each grid in an Oracle Forms application. Or a separate query layered over tables for each form/grid in a Delphi or Access application? Even if it is ninety nine percent the same over half a dozen forms/grids?
And now you've added a whole slew of "slightly different" rowSetInfos to maintain.
So if you wanted to add a column that needs to appear everywhere... you've just increased the workload multi-fold?
That would be a management nightmare, wouldn't it? Not to mention yet more performance cost and a slower system?
Hmmmm..... I'm not sure I like where this is headed... someone needs to do some convincing...
null

HELP...images not showing up in internet explorer, but show up in Safari

Somebody please help. My images are showing up fine in Safari
but when I view them with internet explorer they show an x and
won't open. I am using layers and tables. Please help!
Here is my webpage if you need to see code.
http://www.puddlefoot.com/Tees.html
Thanks!

Yonion.jpg is in CMYK colorspace, that's why it doesn't
display in most
browsers.
make it an optimized RGB jpeg file.
Alan
Adobe Community Expert, dreamweaver
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