Link to Subclips!

I really have to get back to the client if this can be done! If not they are going to take it to Final Cut, and use Glue Tools!
PLEASE HELP!
I'm sub-titling a movie and I made every sub-title into a 1 frame subclip.
It worked great. I moved the project and media to another computer and all my reels linked and the only problem I have is that none of the subclips will link.
The reel(s) that the subclips came from linked, but the subclips will not.
When I made the subclips I named them Sub1, Sub2 etc. . .
I have hundreds of sub-titles and I really do not want to remake them.
Is there a way to link my subclips?
Thanks

OK, interesting--this is why I don't like subclips in Premiere and usually avoid them.
I just did a quick test, subclipping a master clip a couple times, and dropping the subclips into a sequence. Then, I took the master clip offline. Lo and behold, the subclips stayed online--that's not what I was expecting. I expected that taking the master clip offline would cause any subclips created from it to follow suit; the reverse would also be true when putting the master clip back online. Weird. Apparently, subclips ARE independent references, which doesn't seem to be standard practice in other NLEs (at least Avid, where I did use subclips because the actually worked well).
So, try this: select all of your offline subclips in the bin, right-click, and select Link Media. Navigate and select the first media file that Premiere asks for (you can use the "Display Only Exact Name Matches" checkbox if it helps) and hit Select; so long as the remaining media files are in the same relative path, Premiere should automatically relink the rest of them. Because the subclips are based off of the original master clip/media file's timecode, all of the subclips should come back online in their correct time frames.
Does that fix it?
(For what it's worth, I wouldn't call this a bug, but it's definitely not right. IMO, subclips should be beholden to the master clips that they are generated from, and not independent entities. Again, this is why I don't like subclipping in Premiere. Time for a feature request...)

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[svn:osmf:] 11861: Fix bug FM-206: Visual position changes between subclips.

Revision: 11861
Revision: 11861
Author:   [email protected]
Date:     2009-11-16 11:50:44 -0800 (Mon, 16 Nov 2009)
Log Message:
Fix bug FM-206: Visual position changes between subclips. This isn't a subclip bug, but the nature of subclips make it more noticeable. The problem is we set the Video's dimensions to 320x240 by default, then set them again when the metadata is loaded. This results in a flicker for slow-to-load media (like a subclip). The fix is to set the dimensions to zero until the metadata has loaded.
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Revision: 14613
Author:   [email protected]
Date:     2010-03-05 14:49:05 -0800 (Fri, 05 Mar 2010)
Log Message:
Fix for FM-256: Since progressive subclips are not supported, ignore subclip params for progressive files. Also document this lack of support on StreamingURLResource.
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