Logic for Sound Editing

Hi,
I'm a filmmaker and have read a lot of negative reviews on Soundtrack Pro 2 and it's stability issues with Final Cut. Would Logic Pro be a better alternative to use for sound editing and multi tack mixing.
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!

Interesting, is STP2 that unstable ? I would not expect that from a Pro Application, plus I was under the impression that STP2 was designed specifically for (Audio for Video/Post Pro. editing), and would most likely have better, and more powerful tools to deal with this type of work when compared with LP8.
I'm guessing that there must be some STP2 users who are making use of its features, or is this not the case, due to the buggy/unstable STP2 issues ?
STP2 users ? Your Feedback on STP2 stability ? Why isn't Apple fixing it if it is unstable ?
Well, IMHO This is very odd.
Thanks.

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Please listen to http://kairos.biz/HeyJoe.wav - it sounds awful. (An old bootleg now officially released as CD.)
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Hm. It's no dubious source; in fact it's published by the Hendrix family:
http://www.daggerrecords.com/disc4.html
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http://kairos.biz/filters.png
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Sound Editing in FC and STP

Have come across a very useful tutorial resource for sound editing using Final Cut and STP.
http://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/finalcut7105
As a Logic user I wil normally use Logic or STP for all my sound editing, but I've learned some cool things from this tutorial as I always do with mac provideo training.
Got a discount code good until 11th August for 33% discount on downloads at macprovideo.
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Yes. The deeper I go into the tutorial the better it is. There is as much on sound editing directly in FCP as in STP which is a refreshing approach. I always enjoy tutorials by Michael Wohl.
I included a 33% off discount code for downloads in the post above. I dont use these coupons as I have a full subscription for $25 a month. For me this is excellent value.
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Sound editing problem

I'm new til iMovie 08.. If I put backgroundmusic on but in sertain places want to reduce the music a little so I can hear the people in the film speaking and after a while turn the music up again - how do I do this?
are you able to lower and higher the background music as in iMovie 06? Can I "divide music" into different clips?
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Yes this can be done.
First, you need to enable the advanced editing tools if you haven't already. Go to iMovie/Preferences and put a checkmark by "show advanced tools".
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Monitor setup for film sound-edit

Hi freaks,
My monitor setup is 3 Bm5a's and a Bm9 sub. The movie will be mixed LCR, not surround.
In the (Logic 8) prefs/audio/surround i've got it set to 5.1 with the L monitor on output 1, R on out-2 and C on out-8 of the digi 003 in my studio. Output 1-2 run throughthe Bm9. This way when not sound-editing the set functions normally for music.
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The audio was recorded in M/S which makes things interesting (for me at least) translating this to the 3 channel format.
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Is there a rule for the relative loudness of the center speaker compared to the surrounds? To get them to match i have to drop the center by 20dB!
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Output 1-2 are connected to the "main-outputs" on the 003 which are thus controlled by the volume knob. The center monitor on output 8 isn't. This is where i was getting the volume difference. I'm presuming they should be the same volume.

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Can anybody help?
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I see all the upgrades as additional memory or a faster process?
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The main reason for this purchase is to play live and use backing tracks and record found sounds and make creative songs.
I hope you can provide some valuable feedback, as I am a longtime MAC user and see upgrades and changes happen regularly but the most important thing is the songs not the equipment.
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Can anybody help?
I am considering buying a new MAC laptop to run LOGIC for composition and band live/recording, but which one is best as I do not want to spend too much money?
Does it have a line in and how do you monitor sound?
Will I need adaptors and an interface?
Also, I am guessing as Logic only runs on MAC surely then they would not the best spec to recommend to run it?
I see all the upgrades as additional memory or a faster process?
Is a retina screen necessary, and why flash based storage against a 1TB hard drive, and a i5 instead of an i7
The main reason for this purchase is to play live and use backing tracks and record found sounds and make creative songs.
I hope you can provide some valuable feedback, as I am a longtime MAC user and see upgrades and changes happen regularly but the most important thing is the songs not the equipment.
I have £500 already and willing to add another 500 to 700 pounds, then software extra.

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Johannes,
You can certainly do it in GarageBand, although not the most ideal method I guess:
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When you have finished you can export it to iTunes: File->Export to iTunes. The file in iTunes is an AIF file that you can then convert to MP3 again (and do what you like with!)
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Why Logic For Midi?

Hey everyone,
I'm a long time Pro Tools guy but I'm doing more midi these days. Whenever I talk to people about midi they always say that it's so much better than Pro Tools for midi but no one ever tells me why.
Can anyone shed some light here? What makes Logic so great for midi?? What am I missing out on?
Thanks!

Logic is better and more comprehensive than PT for MIDI editing. The reason I'm stressing the editing part is because regardless of the DAW there's not much difference in the experience of actually recording MIDI.
EDIT: after having read Melissa's post, I take that last part back... I do the same thing with Harp, and the ability to do this as well as other "mapped instrument" techniques is incredibly valuable. You can even create a drum kit from a single instrument where every key addresses a sound from a different MIDI device or instrument plug.
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Edited by: Raja Thangamani on Apr 14, 2009 11:22 AM

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