Logical Loop Lunacy

I'm having trouble with something that will inevitably raise the question 'why the heck would you want to do that anyway?', but here goes...
Entity 'A' has a one-to-many relationship with entity 'B'.
There are multiple instances of entity 'B', but one is 'special' in that it's always there, let's call it instance '99'. There is always at least one other instance of entity 'B' with a sequence number 1, 2, 3, 4... for as many instances as exist (up to 98 of them, but more usually 5-10).
I want to assign a value to an attribute of instance 99 based on a rule that looks at the value of the same attribute across all other instances of the entity.
The rule is easy, but I keep getting a logical loop as I'm using the attribute stated in the conclusion in the condition. However, in the condition I'm actually only using the attribute stated within the scope of the instances of the entity that are specifically not the instance implied in the conclusion (although I know of no way to specify which instance I want in the conclusion, hence the logical loop).
I think I need some sort of 'conditional scope' function...
Any ideas? I'd rather not (as I have had to currently) define a new attribute within entity 'B' specifically to be the equivalent attribute to the one I'm trying to derive as the 'IT' side of OPA is outsourced and I'd rather not have the issue of testing they've mapped the 'equivalent' attributes (this is an example of something I need to do for a number of attributes) to the correct fields in the database - those being the same as those fields for the 'non-equivalent' attirbutes!
My head hurts - apologies if your's does now as well...
Thanks,
Alex

Alex,
If you are using 10.2, you can just mark the involved rules as being part of a rule loop - it sounds perfectly fine in your example as it is just a rule loop rather than being a data loop.
Otherwise I would just do it with two attributes - the existing attribute that you collect, with the second one being:
* the value of the existing attribute if it isn't instance '99'
* the computed value if it is instance '99'
That way you at least get a final attribute that splices together the base and computed values.
Regards
Andrew

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