Mac Pro 8 core Early 2008 memory question

I have been looking through Crucial for an upgrade and found this...
http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/listparts.aspx?model=Mac%20Pro%20%288-core%20Xeo n%205400%20Series%29%202nd%20Gen.%20Early%202008&Cat=RAM
Seems expensive to me, now for a silly question, why is the memory for the Early 2009 model so much cheaper, and would they be backward compatible with my machine by any chance?
http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/listparts.aspx?model=Mac%20Pro%20%288-core%20Xeo n%205500%20Series%29%203rd%20Gen.%20Early%202009&Cat=RAM
Thanks and feel free to ridicule

OWC does ship to UK.
Amazon UK is a good source and Kingston is fine brand.
To give an idea of what OWC wants ~US$250 for 4 x 2GB
http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/Mac-Pro-Memory#800-memory
And of course an SSD can help a lot. Just about to buy 120GB from Amazon and is $166 for an SATA3 Corsair (same controller and I have 5 from Corsair from last year) great way to improve performance of the system.

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Hello All. Here’re some of the details/background info…hopefully all this won’t be so annoying. Your feedback is highly appreciated. Thanks a bunch!
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Kappy Nov 24, 2014 3:01 PM
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