Macbook pro screen turns blac
i bought a macbook pro 13.3 inch september 2012 and everytime i turn on my screen and let it run for about 6 minutes my screen turns black.the computer is still on because if im playing a video i can still hear it but the screen is just black. i still have the oneyear warranty for apple product but thats it. if i have to pay to get it fixed that just ***** because its not my problem its apples problem.i called apple and the man didnt even know what i was talking bout so i found a video on youtube someone recored so that you can see what happens to my computer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm3AzmkHUro
I'm really sorry about that, but unless you want to pay an additional 1000 dollars or more and get it repaired by a third party and risk getting it damaged further, I'm afraid the Apple Store is the only way to go.
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